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  • What's "in" for HJ?

    So, my daughter is thinking of showing HJ this year, locally. No A rated shows, but I still want her to look good as they do hire good judges. She has a nice saddle, getting a better bridle soon, but I would like some advise on saddle pad and attire. I really like the half-pad only look, but I don't know if that's still "in."

    Please let me know and post pictures!!
    "To be an equestrian in the classical sense is not just to be a rider.
    It is a position in life." --Charles de Kunffy

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    Half pad is definitely still in, though a nice fitted white pad is always classic.

    The classic "Hunter Look" is navy blue or black jacket, white ratcatcher & beige or greeny/beige breeches, and of course spit shined field boots.

    Depending on the color of her mount, you can experiment with jacket/shirt colors.

    As long as everything is clean (mount & rider) and turned out with care, she'll look fine.

    Name brands won't get you blues, a great turnout & good ride, will.
    Friend of bar.ka!
    Originally posted by MHM
    GM quote of the day, regarding the correct way to do things:
    "There's correct, and then there's correct. If you're almost correct, that means you're wrong."

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    • #3
      really good rounds are the latest rage!

      Less is more - neat and clean. You don't the the most expensive by any means

      Show pad should have very little excess white.

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        #4
        Originally posted by RxCate View Post
        Half pad is definitely still in, though a nice fitted white pad is always classic.

        The classic "Hunter Look" is navy blue or black jacket, white ratcatcher & beige or greeny/beige breeches, and of course spit shined field boots.

        Depending on the color of her mount, you can experiment with jacket/shirt colors.

        As long as everything is clean (mount & rider) and turned out with care, she'll look fine.

        Name brands won't get you blues, a great turnout & good ride, will.
        She has a Haflinger with VERY thick white/blonde mane and tail. I know, not that great of a H/J horse, but this is her first year showing and she wants something "safe" to show in. They want to go with eventing next season. Right now we're teaching him quiet and nice over fences and around, so the H/J shows should be good for that.

        She has a French Blue window pane jacket by Merigold that a friend gave me. It's so pretty with a peach colored shirt and pale tan breeches. Do you think that would be too "out there" considering she's already riding a non-traditional horse? These are informal shows, with many kids just riding in shirts and breeches, no jackets, but most will be fully outfitted.
        "To be an equestrian in the classical sense is not just to be a rider.
        It is a position in life." --Charles de Kunffy

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          #5
          Originally posted by sarcam02 View Post
          really good rounds are the latest rage!

          Less is more - neat and clean. You don't the the most expensive by any means

          Show pad should have very little excess white.
          Very good point of course . We're working on getting her boy to slow down and think before he flies. He's not really in to that, but endless gymnastics and flat work are finally getting him to slow down and look cute, not just fly around the jumps, lol.

          I used to show H/J as a teen myself, back in the early 90s in Southern California (just C-rated shows), so I have an understanding about what is traditional. I just wanted to see if there were any fun trends going on.
          "To be an equestrian in the classical sense is not just to be a rider.
          It is a position in life." --Charles de Kunffy

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          • #6
            I don't know that I'd do peach with a palomino.

            The blue jacket is perfectly fine, and so is the haflinger! I think I'd stick with the white shirt/blue jacket to match his mane/tail but add a pop of color with the jacket. If she's young enough you can always add more color with cute braids/bows
            Friend of bar.ka!
            Originally posted by MHM
            GM quote of the day, regarding the correct way to do things:
            "There's correct, and then there's correct. If you're almost correct, that means you're wrong."

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            • #7
              Because of the recession, we're experiencing a return to more classic, traditional looks. Yes, there are a few twists (Samsheild/KEP/Antares helmets and Euro Seat breeches), but for the most part people have gravitated back towards very plain navy/black jackets, white shirts, and beige breeches.

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                Originally posted by RxCate View Post
                I don't know that I'd do peach with a palomino.

                The blue jacket is perfectly fine, and so is the haflinger! I think I'd stick with the white shirt/blue jacket to match his mane/tail but add a pop of color with the jacket. If she's young enough you can always add more color with cute braids/bows
                She would kill me if I tried to put braids in her hair, lol. She's 12 yrs old, but already 5'7" and all 'tude...

                You're right, white would look better, less "pop" on al already "poppy" horse! What color breeches? Pale tan on a palmonino? I'm afraid silver/gray would blend with the coat to much and green khaki would be too dark.
                "To be an equestrian in the classical sense is not just to be a rider.
                It is a position in life." --Charles de Kunffy

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                • #9
                  Go to this link for recent photos of hunters at HITS Ocala:

                  http://www.chronofhorse.com/photos_videos?nid=25821

                  There are lots of pics to give you a good idea of what's in...almost all the riders have the same color breeches. I don't know if you call it tan or beige or khaki, but you get the idea.

                  If you follow the trends set by the top people, you probably won't go wrong. :-)

                  Everyone is using a fitted saddle pad.

                  If the peach is a soft pale peach and looks good with the blue jacket, I say wear it. If it's a bright peach, maybe take a pass and go with white. From far away, it's hard to tell the actual color of pastels. Oh, and go with a plain or embroidered collar - pins are not very popular.

                  Don't forget a belt and gloves (although not all riders in the photos are wearing gloves). It finishes the look.

                  I hope she has fun!
                  ~ Citizens for a Kinder, Gentler COTH...our mantra: Be nice. ~

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                    #10
                    Thanks snaffle that was very helpful.
                    "To be an equestrian in the classical sense is not just to be a rider.
                    It is a position in life." --Charles de Kunffy

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                      #11
                      I was looking at all of the different hunter albums on that web site and it occurred to me that most of the riders didn't really have that great of position over the fences, at least not compared to what I had drilled in to me as a teenager (and am now drilling in to my daughter, lol). Rider's rears too high, shoulders too low, looking down at the jump, toes stuck really far out to the side, heels not down that much, swinging legs, etc. Since it appears these are top rated shows, I expected to see a lot of "picture perfect" riders that I could show my girls as examples, but most it seems were "what not to do" type pictures in at least one thing or another. And there were almost no auto-releases, which is what I would expect from advanced or medal riders. Most were doing crest releases, even over big fences... ???

                      Do the judges not look at rider form anymore? Or have standards just dwindled? Is the horse's breed/color/conformation and the rider's clothes/tack more important than rider performance? Most of the horses looked nice, knee tucked, ears forward, etc. But most of the riders would have earned a dressage whip across the leg from my old jumping trainer, lol.
                      "To be an equestrian in the classical sense is not just to be a rider.
                      It is a position in life." --Charles de Kunffy

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                      • #12
                        Those hunter photos are judges primarily on the horse and its form over fences and under saddle. The equitation of the rider is far less relevant but a smooth performance is helpful.

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                        • #13
                          Sarcam is right. There have been ad nauseum threads on COTH about degrading equitation of hunter riders. My take is that whatever these folks are doing, it's getting a gorgeous jump out of these horses. You had asked about hunters, so I gave you hunter pics. If you want eq pics, we could probably dig those up too. :-)
                          ~ Citizens for a Kinder, Gentler COTH...our mantra: Be nice. ~

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sarcam02 View Post
                            Those hunter photos are judges primarily on the horse and its form over fences and under saddle. The equitation of the rider is far less relevant but a smooth performance is helpful.
                            Sarcam is right, these are mostly judged on the horse, so the rider doesn't have to be perfect, but they do have to be effective. The kind of position you described is very trendy right now. Laying on the horses neck, jumping ahead, seat too far out of the saddle, no bend in the knee over the fence...I see it alot out there. And somewhere I recently read a George Morris quote about it, but at this point I couldn't even tell you where. Personally, I think if you can ride correctly you will get more out of your horse, but in the hunter classes it just doesnt seem to matter as long as the horse is nice enough.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by luvs2ride79 View Post
                              Do the judges not look at rider form anymore? Or have standards just dwindled? Is the horse's breed/color/conformation and the rider's clothes/tack more important than rider performance? Most of the horses looked nice, knee tucked, ears forward, etc. But most of the riders would have earned a dressage whip across the leg from my old jumping trainer, lol.
                              to answer this, i would quote trixie (from another thread bemoaning the decline of the hunter rider):

                              Why do we always forget hunters is judged on the horse, regardless of what the rider is doing? What wins is the horse who had the best course of that day. If that horse has a monkey on his back, it doesn't actually matter as long as the monkey paid all the appropriate USEF fees and is wearing an ASTM-approved helmet.

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                                #16
                                lol, very good ladies. Thanks for the informative and entertaining responses ;-).
                                "To be an equestrian in the classical sense is not just to be a rider.
                                It is a position in life." --Charles de Kunffy

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                                • #17
                                  The half pad i was taught was a look used when it was needed for the horse, or for adult or older teens, sheepskin fitted pads are very in but pricey, just a nice clean fitted pad is the way to go, you dont want to bring attention to the saddle pad, but your horses great movement and so on.

                                  As for apparel...RJ Classic anything is in, navy colored hunt coats, Charles Owen GR8 or similar models, and Ariat boots...

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                                  • #18
                                    OP - when my daughter was showing her Haflinger gelding in local hunter shows she always wore a dark green coat,white shirt, and light tan jods. I always thought they looked smashing and they got lots of compliments. Just remember to have fun!

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                                    • #19
                                      Not saying that the green coat is wrong or anything, i think its great, but if your going for the fads per say, the green coats are a little old school, its what i always had till i was a teen, then the fads changed, but nothing wrong with the green

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                                      • #20
                                        Upon no longer fitting my old coat, from an earlier trend and an earlier size, I went back to classic Navy... but with a twist

                                        It has somewhat bold navy-on-navy pinstriping, and vivid light purple lining. Just enough flash to look fashion forward, but not enough to clash with my silver bay varnish
                                        Trying a life outside of FEI tents and hotel rooms.

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