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  • Opinions on Butet?

    I am looking for a new saddle, and from the get go I crossed Butet off my list because I had heard that they are bad for the horses backs. But recently, I heard that they are some of the best. I have heard chiropractors say they love them, and others say they hate them. Whats your opinion? Also, how would you compare their fit with other saddle such as CWD's?
    Thank You in advance and I apologize if this thread has been done already!

  • #2
    I think Butet got a bad rap when they first started selling here since they came in only 1 tree size... but everybody wanted one. That one tree size happened to work for my horse so it was all good, but he is a knife withered horse. I can see how a saddle that worked on my horse wouldn't work on a broader flatter back.

    But now they come in humpty bjillion options, so I'm pretty sure it's like any other saddle: did you buy the one that fit your horse?
    Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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    • #3
      The Butet has a bad rap because some people are stupid and buy the label instead of the fit-and they have stupid trainers that don't know the difference between a saddle that fits and a designer label that does not but looks good in the tack room.

      It all depends on what you prefer assuming it does fit. there are a ton of options in seats, flaps, blocks, and so forth. It also depends on what you are doing-if you jump higher, you will probably like a deeper seat that puts you farther back then a floaty Hunter at 3'6" max. two point needs.

      One knock on them is the French glove like leather is not durable and usually will need repair around 8-10 years of regular use (especially if you wear jeans). But they are now available in other leathers. Also, if you like the fit and feel of a Butet, look at the Luc Childerics.
      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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      • #4
        I agree with DMK and Findeight about their reputation. As long as it fits your horse correctly, the Butet is a wonderful saddle, I love riding in one. I ended up buying a CWD and it is "more saddle" than the Butet, but the important issue is that it fit the horse you are buying it for.

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        • #5
          They're nice and agreed that if it can fit your horse and fits you, well, you've found the glass slipper

          I haven't ridden in one, but I have done a side by side comparison of them to Antares and CWD and the Butet is definitely more streamlined and flatter. Older models (over five years) definitely don't seem to "fit" as many horses as more modern saddles. Also, I agree about the leather. A woman at my barn who has had hers for less than 10 years had to get the seat replaced, and she never rides in jeans. I also feel like it tends to put some people in a chair seat, I think because it seems relatively flat it tends to invite it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KateKat View Post
            Also, I agree about the leather. A woman at my barn who has had hers for less than 10 years had to get the seat replaced, and she never rides in jeans. I also feel like it tends to put some people in a chair seat, I think because it seems relatively flat it tends to invite it.
            The Butet, as well as Antares, CWD, etc. can be ordered with flat, half deep and deep seats, so they are not necessarily more flat than other saddles. The Butet is less padded but just as comfy IMO. Maybe that's what you mean when you say it is flat?

            And the newer Butets are being made with a more durable leather as well. Still, unless you have a buffalo leather saddle I would not ride in any high end French saddle in jeans, I always wear breeches.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KateKat View Post
              .... I also feel like it tends to put some people in a chair seat, I think because it seems relatively flat it tends to invite it.
              Yes, it can. But that suits some people who prefer to stay behind the horse a little and drive as many WB types need. For a rider that is unaware and unable to sit properly that way on a saddle that does not fit, that translates in to the infamous "Butet back"-sore right at and behind the cantle.

              Newer models are set up to place you more forward and have a little more padding under the cantle. The Childerics are very similar but almost like an Antatres with the cantle support/padding and they center the rider in a more traditional position over the stirrups.

              Some of the other saddles like a CWD have larger flaps and seat area-less streamlined but weight distribution over a larger area then the French saddles. The TC uses a leather sort of pad thing, does the same thing.

              You have to sit in them and ride in them and consider what you need for what you are doing and jumping. Elegant and streamlined or more support and weight distribution.

              So much depends on the rider and how they ride as well as the actual fit of the saddle to the horse.
              When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

              The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BAC View Post
                The Butet, as well as Antares, CWD, etc. can be ordered with flat, half deep and deep seats, so they are not necessarily more flat than other saddles. The Butet is less padded but just as comfy IMO. Maybe that's what you mean when you say it is flat?

                And the newer Butets are being made with a more durable leather as well. Still, unless you have a buffalo leather saddle I would not ride in any high end French saddle in jeans, I always wear breeches.
                I don't know if the Butet offered that variety of seat sizes on their older models-the three in my barn are all flat and over five years old, but its entirely possible the riders just ordered the flat seats at the time. And I feel like the seat is flatter than say a CWD flat seat, Butet flat seems more along the lines of a County Stabilizer.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KateKat View Post
                  I don't know if the Butet offered that variety of seat sizes on their older models-the three in my barn are all flat and over five years old,
                  They did, the first ones I rode in were almost 10 years ago and some were flat seats and others deep. CWD is a "cushier" type of saddle, Butet is more streamlined. Both comfortable but with each with a much different feel to them.

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                  • #10
                    well, I stand corrected then They are lovely saddles though, I wasn't dissing them in any way.

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                    • #11
                      Love mine - both the 20 yr old + one and the 2004 model though the latter has more delicate leather in the seat.

                      I am guilty however, as I always ride in chaps and jeans.

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                      • #12
                        i love mine..it's a 2000, deep seat with a padded flap and no blocks (it's pretty flat compared to other saddles) but i had to get a new saddle (antares) b/c the butet didn't fit my horse...That being said, i DID NOT sell my Butet...I just couldn't bear to part with it. As DH said, maybe some day you will have a horse that it fits...gotta love my hubby!

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                        • #13
                          Well I love mine - its a 2010 model with the french tree..deep seat and long flaps.. completed changed how well I could ride over fences..

                          It also seems to fit a vast array of my horses.
                          Hickstead 1996-2011 Godspeed
                          " Hickstead is simply the best and He lives forever in our hearts"
                          Akasha 1992-2012 - I will always love you sweet girl.

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                          • #14
                            They are lovely saddles, though the only one I've ever ridden in wasn't mine and I thought it seemed to put me in a chair seat, not sure what the seat depth on it was. Everyone else who's sat in her saddle seems to love it though and I've always heard good things about them.

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                            • #15
                              Want one! Currently trying to find one old enough that I can afford it! My horse has decided she hates me in my Bates Elevation H, but is perfectly happy in the Butet and I love the Butets. Fortunately, my barn has a couple in the school, so I've been able to ride in one without owning one, yet. The trainer did just get a new Devoucoux, because she was having discomfort issues in her Butet (which is one of the ones I currently I ride in). I got to ride in her Devoucoux and it was HEAVENLY! It was like sitting on nothing. Anyone want to buy a kidney, so I can get me one of those?

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                                #16
                                Thank You guys for your answers! They are quite helpful

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                                • #17
                                  I just ordered the 2009 deep seat model with slightly forward flaps and blocks, it arrives today I am THRILLED! I have been waiting forever for one with the right specs to come along used in my price range. I found that the butets were more close contact with the horse than the CWD's or PJ's I tried and I ride hunters so a really deep seat isn't necessary the Childric make me to forward on the pommel but that could have been cause it was a little small. When trying to do flatwork in the other saddles it was harder to wrap my legs around and have a constant feel (but that could be other things than the sadldle too).

                                  Good Luck on your search!!! I will let you know how mine works out!

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                                  • #18
                                    I'm in the same boat as luckeys71... horse dislikes current saddle but loves the Butets. Since I've started keeping an eye out though I can't seem to find the right combination in a used saddle. The Butet I'm using is a forward flap model which puts me in a bit of that chair seat unless I really work at keeping myself centered. The long and forward flap really gets me wonky... so I'm looking for a straight up extra long. Anyone have one hanging around that they want to get rid of?
                                    "Beware the hobby that eats."
                                    Benjamin Franklin

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                                    • #19
                                      Ok it just came via fedex to my office and its much "cushier" than every one I have tried so I am DYING to try it out after work today!!!!

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                                      • #20
                                        My 2011 Butet-a little long but worth the read

                                        So I read these reviews when i was in the process of looking for a saddle. Mind you my current saddle was a HDR that is probably close to ten years old. It is still in fantastic shape and it is very comfortable but it was time to upgrade. My trainer kept telling me don't buy a new low end saddle like a pessoa, buy a high end saddle like a butet and she was set on it. I chose to listen to her because she is brilliant and is showing in grand prix's every weekend so she definately knows what she is talking about. Anyways I began searching for a used Butet but, we are not the richest people in the world and spending more than 3,000 was going to be a stretch for us. If you don't know this new Butet's sell for around 5,000. To me that's a car haha . Anyways I found a 2011 that had barelya been used it was dark brown and gorgeous, short flap 16". I had read that butet's run large and so even though my HDR was a 16.5 everyone I talked to said it would be ok. I am only 5'1 so I was also told the short flap would be a good idea for me. We did end up spending a little bit more than expected but I got the stirrup leathers and the $100 butet custom cover with it which when I got it was a bit dirty but washed up in one wash and looked brand new. When I opened the box I was in love with how it looked. The first time I decided to ride in it I got to the barn and was riding one of the larger lesson horses and I would have never thought that the billet straps would have been to short. I was literally in the middle of the barn isle waiting to start my lesson and about to cry because I thought something was wrong with the saddle and I had gotten tricked by the seller. Anyways one of the girls told me I just needed a girth extender from dover which I was thankful for. Long story short I used to love my HDR but now I know what all the hype was about. MY BUTET IS AMAZING!!!! It's like riding on a comfy cloud. I will say I would recommend a regular flap just to help with the billet straps yes the short flap is good because I'm so short but then you have to deal with the extra stuff by your leg which you can't even feel. Would recommend a butet to anyone and everyone!!!!

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