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    So I got this email about my horse that is for sale on Friday:

    Hello , Have interest in your horse we will be upstate Ny looking at several Horse and are hoping we can demo yours , if you could also answer the below questions which will unable use to make a better assesment of the Horse. 1.How long have you had the horse, has horse been active and ridden in last 3 months ? if not when was horse last active and in what capacity. 2.Was he/she owned by a previous owner please provide info. as you are aware of on previous owner? 3.What are your reasons for selling the horse, please answer in some detail? 4.Has he/she had any previous health/medical issues that could affect its performance? UTD on medical?? 5.How does Horse Load ,Clip and Tack, requires shoeing 6. How is this horse on public trails, leads , goes alone , only follows in group?? 7 .Does Horse have any vices, or Poor Habits, what are you currently feeding and supplements 8 .Is there a special diet/supplement that they consume? 9 .Have you ever had any issues with this horse before/ and Scars or old injuries?? 10. If any, how many shows have the performed in? 11 .How did they place in those shows? how many horse approx. where in Competition 12.How is the horse around other animal(dogs) & around other horses? 13. How is he/she under saddle? ever ridden Bare Back? 14..Do they require soft hand/gentle mouth riders? 15..How sensitive are they to leg/mouth cues?please explain in detail if possible 16. What is Horse temperament, and in you estimation what type of rider is this horse suited For Beginner, Novice , Intermediate, college level, Professional etc.... If their is any other Helpful information you can think of please let us know, also if we leave deposit on Horse would you hold for 5-7 days? if so would the Deposit be Refundable? we are serious about a purchase and have 4-5 horses in mind that we are hoping to match best with my Daughter(1). God Bless have a Good day Christy & Noel:-)


    I didn't respond and today I got this:

    Hello, 3-20-2011 This is Noel and Christy, we contacted you about this Horse a few days ago. We are looking to see Her this Coming Friday 3/25/11 in the Evening. We will be coming from quite a distance (Long Island) so we would arrive until 5:30pm or so, In the interim please try to answer all thes questions to the best of your ability. As we are serious buyers and are view 4-5 horses between Friday and Sunday in the Up state NY area. We thank you for your information so that we can make an educated assement to match each Horse with the Rider. You may Fax your response @ 631-234-1914 if that is easier for you. .1How long have you had the horse, has horse been active and ridden in last 3 months ? if not when was horse last active and in what capacity. 2.Was he/she owned by a previous owner please provide info. as you are aware of on previous owner? 3.What are your reasons for selling the horse, please answer in some detail? 4.Has he/she had any previous health/medical issues that could affect its performance? UTD on medical?? 5.How does Horse Load ,Clip and Tack, requires shoeing 6. How is this horse on public trails, leads , goes alone , only follows in group?? 7 .Does Horse have any vices, or Poor Habits, what are you currently feeding and supplements 8 .Is there a special diet/supplement that they consume? 9 .Have you ever had any issues with this horse before/ and Scars or old injuries?? 10. If any, how many shows have the performed in? 11 .How did they place in those shows? how many horse approx. where in Competition 12.How is the horse around other animal(dogs) & around other horses? 13. How is he/she under saddle? ever ridden Bare Back? 14..Do they require soft hand/gentle mouth riders? 15..How sensitive are they to leg/mouth cues?please explain in detail if possible 16. What is Horse temperament, and in you estimation what type of rider is this horse suited For Beginner, Novice , Intermediate, college level, Professional etc.... If their is any other Helpful information you can think of please let us know, also if we leave deposit on Horse would you hold for 5-7 days? if so would the Deposit be Refundable? we are serious about a purchase and have 4-5 horses in mind that we are hoping to match best with my Daughter. If you have already sent a response please re-send as we don't have it yet?? Have a Great evening. Kindest Regards, Noel & Christy :-)

    I responded with my phone number asking them to call for more info and got this:

    Christy or I will contact you tomorrow to go over our questions we have.
    If its easier for you to Fax answers you can to 631-234-1914. Just be aware if we do it by
    phone it may take sometime as we will need to jot down your info. to paper. while you give the
    info to us . Since we are looking at 5-6 Horses we will be using this info. along with the demo and
    Live visit to make a choice and selection that best suits My Daughter and family.
    So I apologies I have a systematic way of doing things , and It has brought
    me allot of success writing info, and asking many questions.
    Especially, Before making purchases on Products and or animals
    I look forward to talking with you. I can also tell you that you would be our First stop on Friday late
    afternoon. If you could also tell me also How many hrs are you out of the NYC (New York City)
    Once again thanks for your time.

    Noel & Christy:-)




    So....scam right?
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  • #2
    If not a scam, then maybe they are robots looking at horses??

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    • #3
      I dunno. Doesn't seem as generic as a scam. Maybe they are foreign and using a translator? They seem to know more about horses than the average and actually want to come see the horse. I would answer the questions and see if they show up.
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      • #4
        I think it sounds like someone asking (mostly) good, legitimate questions about your horse, and English probably isn't their first language. With the market being what it is, I must say I'm pretty surprised you A. didn't respond to their first inquiry, and B. asked them to call so you could answer their questions instead of replying as they requested, which would give them the opportunity to get translation help if necessary. They didn't ask for money, I wouldn't assume it's a scam. I think it would be considerate to reply to their questions. If they're still interested in including your horse in their road trip, you need to trust your instincts. Maybe ask a friend or two to be around when they come. Unless you really don't want to sell your horse.

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          But the asking if they can leave a deposit and if its refundable? Seems a little quick to be asking that and seems like one of those send a fake check and then refund them the money and then find out the check doesn't clear. And only replying via fax? It doesn't make sense.
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          • #6
            I don't think its a scam! these people just sound like non horsepeople trying to ask all the right questions and find a horse through some type of system....

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Koniucha View Post
              If not a scam, then maybe they are robots looking at horses??
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              • #8
                They sound more like newbies to me. The fact that they asked about a deposit doesn't necessarily mean its a scam. They may just be further down the road saying to themselves "what if" they like such and such horse but still have others they want to see.

                My advice would have been to respond to the first email saying "I would be happy to answer your questions, but would find it helpful if we could talk on the phone first". That might give you a better idea if they are genuine or not. I can understand though why they might want a faxed response if they are looking at a large number of horses and are worried about collecting and organizing data. If they have a list they send to everyone that might be easier for them compared with making a bunch of calls and then trying to take down notes, possibly miss details, etc.

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                • #9
                  one more thing: don't let the horse off the property until the money is in your bank account, regardless of who ends up buying your horse.

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                  • #10
                    I'd wait to speak to them on the phone before providing such detailed information aboout my horse - I'm somewhat sceptical ...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by alto View Post
                      I'd wait to speak to them on the phone before providing such detailed information aboout my horse - I'm somewhat sceptical ...
                      I agree
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                      • #12
                        I would have answered their first email as those are all good questions (maybe a bit detailed, but pertinent).

                        Scammers usually don't ask those types of questions. Often times they don't even know what the item you are selling is and will have a story about being overseas and sending their shipper to pick up the "thing or item".

                        These folks offered to come to your location on a buying trip to inspect your horse.

                        It is great that they took the time to send you a second request after not hearing back from you.

                        I am one that prefers to correspond via email and would rather have all the information that I am gathering in written form rather than trying to write down everything you say on the phone.

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                        • #13
                          Whatever you do, make sure neither one of them is about to become pregnant :P

                          As long as you're not divulging anything super personal, I think it's okay to give them a little benefit of the doubt. I doubt they could run too good a scam on just the answers to the questions and your fax number.

                          If they do want to put down a deposit, insist that it be in a cashiers check or cash, and that they must give it to you in person AFTER they see the horse. I'm assuming you aren't interested in selling a horse to people you haven't met/seen how well they suit the horse and vice versa, so stipulating that no money will exchange hands until after the meeting is reasonable.

                          In terms of refunding a deposit, that's your call I guess, but I would be more inclined to simply hang onto the check (written out for the exact amount, no more no less) and cash it once the sale is final, as opposed to trying to cash it and then give them money out of your account. And I imagine all sales are final

                          And, if coming from Long Island, I imagine they probably board (though, who knows, maybe there are farmettes on LI), so it might be appropriate for you to ask to speak to their BO/BM. Of course your goal is to find out if they're real customers and not scammers, but for the sake of politeness, etc, you can say it's to find out about the program at the stable to so you can plan ahead to help the horses switch over to new grain, etc, and find out if there is any specific records the barn requires that you can facilitate getting there, etc

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                          • #14
                            For the record, I think it's a scam.
                            (Additionally what is up with them TELLING you when your demo appointment will be, as if you don't have anything to do on Friday nights? Scammers really seem to think that the "This is the way it's going to be" approach is the key to success, and I can't possibly think of anything more annoying or alienating.)

                            But if you think it might be legit, I would insist on talking about the horse via a phone call and ask them to give me a number where I can call them. Not the other way around. Make them answer a phone like normal people.

                            During this phonecall I would ask them several questions about where they would keep the horse and who their trainer/farrier/vet is for references.

                            I would also explain to them what the meaning of a "deposit" is; the whole point is that it is not refundable.

                            No way, no how would that horse so much as set a toe off the property until it was paid for in full AND the bank had cashed and confirmed the final funds transfer.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Beethoven View Post
                              I dunno. Doesn't seem as generic as a scam. Maybe they are foreign and using a translator? They seem to know more about horses than the average and actually want to come see the horse. I would answer the questions and see if they show up.
                              I agree. It doesn't hurt anything to answer their questions but you may lose a sale if you ignore them. Sounds like they are looking at several horses and just want a written description of each to keep their records straight. That's a good idea actually. I've talked to buyers several times to all of a sudden be asked "which horse do you have for sale, sorry I'm looking at several".
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                                For the record, I think it's a scam.
                                (Additionally what is up with them TELLING you when your demo appointment will be, as if you don't have anything to do on Friday nights? Scammers really seem to think that the "This is the way it's going to be" approach is the key to success, and I can't possibly think of anything more annoying or alienating.)

                                But if you think it might be legit, I would insist on talking about the horse via a phone call and ask them to give me a number where I can call them. Not the other way around. Make them answer a phone like normal people.

                                During this phonecall I would ask them several questions about where they would keep the horse and who their trainer/farrier/vet is for references.

                                I would also explain to them what the meaning of a "deposit" is; the whole point is that it is not refundable.

                                No way, no how would that horse so much as set a toe off the property until it was paid for in full AND the bank had cashed and confirmed the final funds transfer.
                                This 100%. Maybe I am a skeptical person, but my vote goes to scam.

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                                • #17
                                  SCAM

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                                  • #18
                                    scam, they give you deposit, you put it in bank, they ask for refund because they liked other horse better, you refund, they disappear, their check bounced back

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                                    • #19
                                      Talk on the phone first...

                                      Like some have said might be, might not be. But if it is, with these questions you would be REALLY improving the scammers knowledge of horses..
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                                      • #20
                                        It is rare for a typical 419 scammer to send a follow-up email to an individual non-responsive target.

                                        Their MO is to send out the same email to a very large group of people and then work with the ones who reply. This requires the least effort on their part. It also gives them immediate access to the most likely victims, since anyone who can see it is a scam or suspects it is a scam will opt themselves out.

                                        Also, scammers typically do not track who they send the emails to in this way. They do NOT keep spreadsheets that list who they sent what email to and did the person reply. The one thing they DO track are willing victims -- someone who gets caught up in one scam is likely to get even more scam emails. But they don't track the ones who do not reply.

                                        So if this is a 419 scam, it's a very drastic change of tactics for them.

                                        I would just proceed cautiously. Give them whatever information you are comfortable with in whatever format you are most comfortable (email/phone/fax). See if they actually show up, or if their next move is to say they suddenly had to move overseas, but love your horse from your description, and will send a shipper... then you know for sure.

                                        And let us know if it does turn out to be a scam, because if it is, it's the first new tactic I have seen coming from them in years.
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