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    Does anyone know how much I should charge per mile for shipping a horse to a horse show? We live in PA and was wondering if anyone had suggestions on what the average fee would be. Thanks

  • #2
    I think the average is 80 cents a mile..

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    • #3
      Just remember that if you start charging for trailering you are considered to be a commercial shipper and your liability increases.

      I would check with your insurance agent before accepting money to see if you would be adversely impacted if there were an accident or if the horse you are trailering got injured.
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      • #4
        around here cheap is $1.00 per mile. with gas prices going up (and diesel) I imagine hauling will be going up to...

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        • #5
          Stella are you a trainer? Most trainers in my area - Texas - charge .50 per mile but not less than $50 round-trip.

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          • #6
            Just remember, if you are not a licensed commercial hauler, a professional trainer or owner of a farm, you can be nailed both criminally and civilly if anything happens to the horse. I learned the hard way but was lucky that the authorities and others involved were more understanding.

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            • #7
              I have read that if you trailer other people's horses frequently you should get care/custody/control insurance. Does anyone do that?
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              • #8
                In CA my hauler gets $2.00/mile with a $100 minimum fee.

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                  Originally posted by RAyers View Post
                  Just remember, if you are not a licensed commercial hauler, a professional trainer or owner of a farm, you can be nailed both criminally and civilly if anything happens to the horse. I learned the hard way but was lucky that the authorities and others involved were more understanding.
                  One other thing to remember. If you are hauling a truck/trailer combo that is over 26,000 lbs for NON-PERSONAL use you need to have the appropriate licensing (class A, class B etc). Most one ton trucks and four horse head to head and larger combos are over the 26k limit. I'd hate to see you get bagged as the consequences aren't fun. And as everyone else said, watch out for liability and the criminal/civil aspect as well. We have had to post on all our trailers (horse, car etc.) that we are "Private. Not for Hire". If you are hauling privately, they do waive the licensing, but commercial is a completely different story.
                  Originally posted by barka.lounger
                  bar.ka here
                  h/j riders are used to bending over, every.time they pay their.show bills at the office. event.ers not so mu.ch.

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                  • #10
                    We had a poster on here several years ago with this screen name? That one was a (competent) young trainer and would know most of this so am guessing this is a new poster??? Maybe who bought that mare with the same name?

                    Probably $1 a mile with a minimum of $100 or a $50 hook up fee plus $1 a mile or something like that. May be more if you are closer to Philly and a little less around Pittsburg or somewhere in the more rural central part of the state.

                    And, yeah, you need insurance to charge for it. And should have insurance for "guest horses" if you do it for free or go cash under the table. Because you ARE paying for any injury or illness while on your trailer and under your control.
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                    • #11
                      What is the concensus on the insurance?


                      What kind of insurance to get? Basically, I have been asked to do this enough that I am considering making it a business.

                      Looks like I need to look into a commercial license.... I have a 2500 GMC and a extra tall 2 horse gooseneck, with a double size dressing room.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by naters View Post
                        What is the concensus on the insurance?


                        What kind of insurance to get? Basically, I have been asked to do this enough that I am considering making it a business.

                        Looks like I need to look into a commercial license.... I have a 2500 GMC and a extra tall 2 horse gooseneck, with a double size dressing room.
                        You might not have to... I know the Kingston 4-horse head to head with a dressing room comes in at under 15k and if you're towing with a one ton truck (say a F-350) you'll be looking at 26,000 lbs. A 3/4 ton (i.e. a 2500) probably shouldn't push the limits. The 2008 and up F-350's are WAY overweighed. I have a F-250 that they rate at 10,000 lbs.

                        Just double check. Do you have commercial plates on your vehicle? Most of the time you won't get much flack from DOT or cops. If you're really working as a heavy commercial hauler I'd be cautious. I just throw it out there to keep everyone informed! You could look into your class B, which is a lot easier than a class A. Read your personal state laws. I know plenty of people (I'd say 90%) who tow over 26k and don't have their commercial license.

                        Just an FYI for everyone.
                        Originally posted by barka.lounger
                        bar.ka here
                        h/j riders are used to bending over, every.time they pay their.show bills at the office. event.ers not so mu.ch.

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                        • #13
                          Going rate we pay for race n returns is $2.50 mile for a two horse trailer.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RAyers View Post
                            Just remember, if you are not a licensed commercial hauler, a professional trainer or owner of a farm, you can be nailed both criminally and civilly if anything happens to the horse. I learned the hard way but was lucky that the authorities and others involved were more understanding.
                            What makes you a professional trainer for the purposes of this instance?

                            Do you hand them the last check you earned for pro-rides and riding lessons and say, "Here, look. I'm a pro." (ie, pro by USEF rules somehow counts for state liability law?)

                            Or do you have to do something additional to be seen as a pro in the eyes of the state?

                            And what do you mean by "licensed commercial hauler"? Is there some special driver's license you need to go get approved for this or just an extra insurance policy?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                              And what do you mean by "licensed commercial hauler"? Is there some special driver's license you need to go get approved for this or just an extra insurance policy?


                              Ditto this question, and also what extra insurance policy?
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                                What makes you a professional trainer for the purposes of this instance?

                                Do you hand them the last check you earned for pro-rides and riding lessons and say, "Here, look. I'm a pro." (ie, pro by USEF rules somehow counts for state liability law?)

                                Or do you have to do something additional to be seen as a pro in the eyes of the state?

                                And what do you mean by "licensed commercial hauler"? Is there some special driver's license you need to go get approved for this or just an extra insurance policy?

                                A licensed commercial hauler is one registered with the state as a commercial transportation company (DOT Registered). You need to carry commercial insurance, pay full road taxes, keep logs, etc... You will be issued a transport license for the state you operate. Notice the sides of semis or hot shots where they have a series of stickers or a DOT number is painted.

                                Even if you haul under 26K pounds you are STILL COMMERCIAL (called hot shots) and need a DOT registration. Yes, at 26,001 pounds you need a CDL.

                                As for a horse professional, your tax records are sufficient. If your income does not come from agriculture, hauling animals is not part of the business.

                                Now if you are hauling a friend's horse, even if it for the barn, you are only legally allowed to split the gas. You can not charge a loading fee, insurance, wear and tear on the vehicle etc. even if the trainer does. The moment a loading fee or other is charged you enter the commercial realm.

                                While many get away with this, I have been in enough incidents around the US to learn my lesson. I was hauling about 40,000 miles a year (charging 50 cents a mile back then in my rig and others) outside my regular job and so sadly I had a few "experiences" (jackknifed on ice in NE, T-boned in CO, pulled over for livestock inspection in TX...).

                                Now, I only haul for partial gas and only if I am going that way anyway, even if it is 1,000 miles. I also cary a very large umbrella liability policy (over $1mil) just in case. I just can't take the financial risk if a horse that is not mine gets injured while I haul.
                                Last edited by RAyers; Mar. 23, 2011, 10:23 PM.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by SanJacMonument View Post
                                  charge .50 per mile but not less than $50 round-trip.
                                  This doesn't even meet the 2011 personal vehicle mileage reimbursement rate (which is currently .51 cents a mile) that's how much an employer will reimburse an employee for using their personal vehicle for company purposes.
                                  That means that $1.02 per mile you are barely covering expenses, and not paying yourself for time.
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                                  • #18
                                    I spoke with my insurance company after purchasing my trailer. They said that I was allowed to collect gas money, only. I have a 1mil policy as well...

                                    My reimbursement rate is .56/mile, for my car, .50/mile with a horse in tow is very low!

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                                    • #19
                                      Now I am really confused.

                                      How is it that "horse professionals" that charge clients to haul to shows/etc don't have to register with DOT then?

                                      Because pretty much anyone around here can hang a shingle and call themselves a horse professional.... How does that exempt them from DOT registration, and extra commercial insurance?
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                                      • #20
                                        Most of what we are talking about does not kick in unless you are caught, have an accident etc.

                                        A horse professional is one who derives their primary income from horses or agriculture and as such hauling horses/livestock is part of the business. So a rancher, barn owner, breeder, trainer, vet, and their employees etc. all are part of the industry. This is all based on tax records.

                                        If you ONLY haul horses, you are a commercial transporter and as such need to be licensed. If you do not derive your primary income from horses/agriculture, you can not charge more than split costs to haul horses. Like I said, most folks never get caught. However, as goodmorning alluded to, if you get in an accident and it is divulged you charged a "commercial" or "loading" fee, then your insurance can refuse to cover you, DOT can fine you, the horse owners etc. can sue for the liability, the IRS can make a claim against any income and no insurance will cover it.

                                        If you are hauling as an outsider (e.g. for another person in the barn, to help your trainer, whatever) you can not take the mileage reimbursement as again, hauling is not part of you business activities.

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