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  • Bit and noseband configurations?

    What bits/noseband combinations would you suggest for a jumper mare who goes beautifully on the flat in a regular noseband and a kk ultra, but loses her brakes on course? Mare has a sensitive mouth. She has found her mojo recently and has gotten quite bold (in a good way). Looking to reinstall brakes without being confrontational.

    Things that have been suggested to me:

    Worcester noseband
    Hackamore configuration

    Last edited by Burgie; Mar. 20, 2011, 09:05 AM. Reason: 'Cause I can't spell.

  • #2
    I had a TBred like that. Not familiar with the KK ultra, but used a nice french mouth snaffle and figure eight noseband for jumping most of the time. If I needed a bit more, I would use a french mouth elevtor gag, with a 2 reins (One on the snaffle and one on the elevator) which did wonders for turning and gave me a bit more control!


    • Original Poster

      The KK Ultra is a loose ring french link. We were doing well in that with a figure eight. I think having her mouth strapped shut pisses her off some.

      I did put her in a hackamore noseband today (the caveson looking one, not a mechanical) and we had great brakes and no steering.

      Need to find a middle ground.
      Last edited by Burgie; Mar. 20, 2011, 09:05 AM. Reason: Same.


      • #4
        brakes....please...sorry, breaks are what happens when things snap in half
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        • #5
          oh and to add....I used one of those rubber figure eights on my tb mare, with a big french link...hacked her in a rubber snaffle
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          • Original Poster

            Originally posted by mroades View Post
            brakes....please...sorry, breaks are what happens when things snap in half

            And I HATE when people do that. Umm, it's the full moon, and I'm tired, and I'm dumb as a box of rocks...


            Rubber figure eight?
            Can you provide a link?


            • #7
              I can't steer well in a hackamore either. You could try a Kineton noseband with your current bit.


              • #8
                yep, blame it on the moon!!!

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                • #9
                  If she seems to be pissy about having her mouth strapped shut, try a couple (consecutive) times jumping without tying her mouth shut, and see what you get.
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                  • Original Poster

                    We've gone back and tried that.
                    She doesn't reset after a few rides, unfortunately.

                    That's why I was thinking about different nosebands - maybe something that would put a bit more pressure on the nose instead of strapping her mouth shut.


                    • #11
                      Try the kineton, or a hack a bit.


                      • Original Poster

                        Which style of hackabit?

                        I'd read that you shouldn't pair the hackamore action (nose pressure) with a single jointed snafle.
                        I am unsure of the action of a mullenmouth - do you still have the ability to pick up and manipulate the shoulders in such a mouthpiece?


                        • #13
                          I would use a french mouth elevtor gag, with a 2 reins (One on the snaffle and one on the elevator) which did wonders for turning and gave me a bit more control!
                          This is excellent advice. W/two reins, you would only kick in the gag function w/rein 2 if she blows through rein 1 which is acting like the snaffle she is used to.

                          I used to use this very set up doing the jumpers w/a big TB gelding I had years ago.

                          A mullenmouth would likely be more mild, not less, although you could try a pelham and see what the curb does for her.

                          As for the noseband, I'd leave her in a plain one not too tightly done.

                          When you get the right bit, you probably won't have to worry about her needing more of a noseband.
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                          • Original Poster

                            Just curious -
                            How would going to a pelham or elevator gag be better than going to a kineton or similar noseband?

                            FWIW, We rode her again yesterday in just the hackamore noseband and worked on the turning, lifting shoulders, bending, etc. Still not great, but better. I don't think this is a long term solution, but it is interesting to me that she is more responsive and far less confrontational in that contraption.


                            • #15
                              Love the kineton. I've used it on my hot red mare with great success. It's quite mild but still gets the point across. Lately I've been using it on my gelding as a safety brake. It works great for that, too. It is expensive, so try borrowing one or looking for a used one (may not have luck--I spent about a year searching for a used kineton before I finally found one).
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Burgie View Post
                                Which style of hackabit?

                                I'd read that you shouldn't pair the hackamore action (nose pressure) with a single jointed snafle.
                                I am unsure of the action of a mullenmouth - do you still have the ability to pick up and manipulate the shoulders in such a mouthpiece?
                                The hackabits we use are double jointed nathe. I have also seen them in a mullein mouth nathe....so I think a little flex in it, but i don't really have personal experience with it.

                                The horses we use the hackabits on only show (or jump school) in them, so it's definitely enough to control the parts around a course, but the intense flatwork does get done in a regular snaffle.

                                But I am so with whoever said borrow a kineton, and then also borrow the hackabit, because both are expensive, and both might be a sort of trial and error thing as to whether you like them or not.


                                • #17
                                  I would third the two reins on an elevator.

                                  You could also go the peham route if the chain doesn't bother (Maybe try covering it with vetwrap after getting it flat).
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                                  • #18
                                    Training?? I know, crazy idea....
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                                    • Original Poster

                                      Originally posted by wildlifer View Post
                                      Training?? I know, crazy idea....
                                      Constructive, thanks.

                                      Why don't you feel free to provide some suggestions as to what you think should be done?