• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Dear exceptional riders, where are you hinding?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Dear exceptional riders, where are you hinding?

    .
    Last edited by holaamigoalter; Apr. 19, 2011, 02:27 AM.
    "Using draw reins without spurs is like going to the bar with no underwear on. You're just waiting to get f***ed."

  • #2
    Maybe you should put a hint to where you are. You might some PMs from here.
    Shop online at
    www.KoperEquine.com
    http://sweetolivefarm.com/services.php

    Comment


    • #3
      They're probably riding. Being a barn manager/rider is a entirely different ballpark than being a rider. If that's what you're advertising for you are getting barn managers that can ride, not riders and trainers. If someone is an exceptional rider and trainer, they generally think they are past the barn manager point of their life. Sorry for your troubles, but a job that requires riding and working is going to be hard to fill if you're looking for a high-caliber rider rather than a human lungeline.

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #4
        Originally posted by CBoylen View Post
        They're probably riding. Being a barn manager/rider is a entirely different ballpark than being a rider. If that's what you're advertising for you are getting barn managers that can ride, not riders and trainers. If someone is an exceptional rider and trainer, they generally think they are past the barn manager point of their life. Sorry for your troubles, but a job that requires riding and working is going to be hard to fill if you're looking for a high-caliber rider rather than a human lungeline.
        .
        Last edited by holaamigoalter; Apr. 19, 2011, 02:28 AM.
        "Using draw reins without spurs is like going to the bar with no underwear on. You're just waiting to get f***ed."

        Comment


        • #5
          holaamigoalter

          My boss is not an easy person to work for at all (and has a reputation for it)
          This.
          Unless it's riding for GM, why would a good candidate want to bother ? Lotta nice private barns to rde/work for.
          "The Desire to Win is worthless without the Desire to Prepare"

          It's a "KILT". If I wore something underneath, it would be a "SKIRT".

          Comment


          • #6
            We have only been advertising for riders. We only do sales and have 1-2 other full time people so "barn manager" really is just ordering grain and being at the barn when the boss isn't there. Not a real manager position.
            Ok, that's more reasonable. Well, if you are advertising (where?) specifically for riders, then it must be something else that is getting you unqualified candidates. Location, reputation (good or bad, one will bring all sorts of people out of the woodwork, one will only get you the people without the experience to have heard of you.), phrasing, or just dumb bad luck. Of course, most of the qualified candidates are in FL right now, and most get jobs by word of mouth and connections. Presumably your boss has explored all his connections to find out if they know someone who would suit? When you say you only do sales, does that involve showing, or just marketing from home? Lack of showing could turn some people off.

            Comment


            • #7
              I'd say lack of showing would be a turn-off back when I considered this type of career. And a shitty boss. Maybe those are your issues?
              COTH's official mini-donk enabler

              "I am all for reaching out, but in some situations it needs to be done with a rolled up news paper." Alagirl

              Comment


              • #8
                Not saying this is the case with this barn, but some barn owners can get a reputation among the members of the equestrian community and can become avoided.

                Some barns advertise for help in other states, and it sad to hear stories of people who feel they have move back home with all their possessions after only being able to remain in a situation for a few months.

                With some barns it just seems like the same story repeats itself over and over again, and I wonder if the owners ever think to consider that the problem may be something that they themselves have the power to resolve.

                Comment

                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  .
                  Last edited by holaamigoalter; Apr. 19, 2011, 02:30 AM.
                  "Using draw reins without spurs is like going to the bar with no underwear on. You're just waiting to get f***ed."

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by alterhorse View Post
                    Not saying this is the case with this barn, but some barn owners can get a reputation among the members of the equestrian community and can become avoided.

                    Some barns advertise for help in other states, and it sad to hear stories of people who feel they have move back home with all their possessions after only being able to remain in a situation for a few months.

                    With some barns it just seems like the same story repeats itself over and over again, and I wonder if the owners ever think to consider that the problem may be something that they themselves have the power to resolve.
                    Nope they just blame their staff/instructors/trainers.....

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TheJenners View Post
                      I'd say lack of showing would be a turn-off back when I considered this type of career. And a shitty boss. Maybe those are your issues?
                      In general, I'd say "I'm right here!" until I considered the above and read this part about your boss:

                      Originally posted by holaamigoalter View Post

                      Another side to this story is the girl that is leaving has been here forever and he created her from scratch and molded her into his little robot. He wants to replace something that he created which is a high expectation. Very, very big shoes to fill.
                      Not to bash the guy, but it sounds like he wants a walking contradiction-- be a great rider which means you think, decide and improve a horse... but also be his robot.

                      You won't find that in one person. Call it ego, call it age or something that comes with the experience it sounds like you guys want in a rider. Maybe he does have to make up a new one for himself.

                      To help, then, can you think of ways to sweeten the deal for the rider?
                      The armchair saddler
                      Politically Pro-Cat

                      Comment

                      • Original Poster

                        #12
                        .
                        Last edited by holaamigoalter; Apr. 19, 2011, 02:31 AM.
                        "Using draw reins without spurs is like going to the bar with no underwear on. You're just waiting to get f***ed."

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Why can't you fill the position and they hire a person to fill your role?

                          I worked for people like this. It doesn't take grit, it takes lack of self-worth. How many screaming matches go down in your arena? Being a rider is a tough, tough job. We are always replaceable. I hated watching over my shoulder, so I finally built my own place and went out on my own.

                          Your post has confused me a bit because you stated that it's a great place to become a great rider, yet you are seeking a "made rider" to jockey the horses. An exceptional "made" rider doesn't want to be yelled at.

                          A truly gifted rider does most of their best work in the sanctity of the moment they build with the horse they are sitting on. They won't tolerate a bully smashing up that moment.

                          My assistant/ rider is invaluable to me. I encourage her and tell her when she's making good decisions. I don't belittle her and make her feel crappy. She knows when the ride is not good, the horse tells her and you feel crappy anyway.

                          When I was an employee, I knew the barns not to apply to. They were frequently advertising the same positions; the descriptions seemed a little make believe too. My best jobs were had by word of mouth. You might want to try posting through some of the equine colleges, I bet there are some talented riders there hungry for some experience, and niave enough to not be treated with respect.
                          So... to tidy up my post, are your horses just so amazing that only John French can ride them? What is so special about "his" method that any well schooled, 1/2 way decent rider couldn't execute with some proper guidance?

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            If this guy has this reputation, well then. Sheesh. I'm not a "rider", but if you've got this reputation or I "smell it on you", I'll be nice and shake your hand. And then NEVER CALL YOU AGAIN.

                            Too old/smart for that kind of crap. And no, I wouldn't take it from GM either.

                            Ditto Mrsbradbury. People who put up with that kind of abuse are either too stupid to realize they are being abused, are *so* used to it from other parts of thier life that they already don't value themselves, or are just biding thier time and looking for something without the abusive boss. (and maintaining an income in the meantime)

                            I've worked for some of the best and worst on this side of the country. The ones who got me to stay were the ones that didn't treat me like crap.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I thought I knew who your boss was, but I realize that guy's been dead for 10 years. But OH the flashback!!

                              Definitely check out the equine colleges especially Virginia Intermont and William Woods College. Riders coming out of college are still used to being told what to do (and being yelled at) and may still be unformed enough (although good riders) for your boss to mold into his methods.

                              A person who is willing to accept your boss's word as God is what you're looking for. Someone who has learned enough to know what works for them and has had experience that proves it, will be unable to put aside their own methods for his.

                              I could've worked with the deceased trainer right out of college, and like you would've thrived and learned so much. Instead I went in another direction, gained lots of personal experience. 12 years after college I did have the opportunity to work for him and BOY did that not work out! I dared to question the great one and that was not allowed. Enjoy your time with your trainer and good luck with your search.
                              ~Kryswyn~ Always look on the bright side of life, de doo, de doo de doo de doo
                              Check out my Kryswyn JRTs on Facebook

                              "Life is merrier with a terrier!"

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                "He wants to replace something that he created which is a high expectation. Very, very big shoes to fill."
                                Oh, please. He needs someone with small feet to grown into the over-sized shoes.
                                You say "the only ones who don't last here are the egos" -- but typically someone who is a talented (and proven) rider / trainer justifiably has some self-esteem / and self-confidence that perhaps can be interpreted as "ego".
                                Having someone to be there when "the boss" is not... and ordering feed...and training / riding sales horses sounds like a pretty vague offer. Not all that enticing.
                                Your "boss" most likely will need to lower his expectations for now and start from scratch if the rider must automatically know what he would have her do.
                                Someone who has experience and has a successful career thus far will have some opinions, you know.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  I agree with most of what has been said here. It sounds like you have a very, very narrow market of possible applicants. Add in the fact that a lot of people are down in Florida and your applicant pool has dwindled significantly.

                                  I think the colleges would be a great place to look for an employee. On the technical side, how are you advertising? Word of mouth? Job postings online? If you have any kind of written ad, whether it's online or off, go through it again. Should it be rephrased? Is it giving the wrong impression?

                                  Honestly it sounds like your boss' expectations are very high and somewhat unrealistic. Add in an... interesting work environment and I can understand why it's taking so long to fill the position.

                                  It still doesn't excuse the resume padding though. Oh the fun stories I could tell about that.

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Why work for someone who is hard to work for? Personally, I don't care how great the job is in all other aspects, if the boss is a pain in the rear to work for, and KNOWN for it, I wouldn't even bother. Life is too short to be unhappy. If I want to get hollered at, I'll take a lesson. There's nothing worse than dreading going to work every day.
                                    Different Times Equestrian Ventures at Hidden Spring Ranch
                                    www.DifferentTimesEquestrianVentures.com

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      Again where are you located ... So I can PM you if it's in an area that is desirable. The gruff old trainer isn't a concern , unless it's counter productive to good training and riding and thinking .. every good rider can read a horse and adjust his or her methods to a specific situation, indeed even create new methods on the spot. If the trainer in question methods are SOP for every situation and every horse then this isn't the type of job I would recomend to a good rider. Even old ancient trainers need to be open to new ideas and creativity. I teach this to the very few riders that I work with (the ones who can handle me) . So where are you located , the ones that aren't afraid from the posts may contact you .

                                      Comment

                                      • Original Poster

                                        #20
                                        .
                                        Last edited by holaamigoalter; Apr. 19, 2011, 02:31 AM.
                                        "Using draw reins without spurs is like going to the bar with no underwear on. You're just waiting to get f***ed."

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X