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  • #241
    Originally posted by Marieke View Post
    I think it is pretty brave to come out and say this. But it is very illustrative.

    1. winning is most important ( .... be competitive), even at the horses expense.
    2. it is not my fault (..... it's the judging requirements for the horses)
    3. I can't chance the situation (..... So if the standards were changed)
    4. I'm just a passive bystander (...... I'm just an amateur who rides the horse in the direction it's going. Even if it's over the cliff.)

    Very illustrative of the society as a whole by the way. Rather eat fast food then cook.

    Well said.

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    • #242
      In defense of Hunters I would like to point out that Jumpers are not immune from "performance altering." As DMK said a few pages back, ask the Germans and the Irish after Athens. Check in with Jessica Kurten.

      We can thank the European drug manufacturers for Dormosedan, Temprelax, the list goes on.

      One should not be so naive as to think that those at the top of the tree are not also on the cutting edge.

      Pharmaceuticals have been used to "enhance proper training" since the dawn of penicillin.

      I admit to being from the school who believes judicious use of pharmaceuticals can be BENEFICIAL to the performance horse, no matter what discipline.

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        #243
        ok I don't know how to do the quote thing but....

        nauseating huh?

        Ok so I guess I should just buy 100 acres of prime pasture land at $70,000 an acre, pull their shoes, and also pursue their training schedules grain/supplement/drug free and never use anything but a halter and lead rope (might be a gadget too though) then ship home each day from the horse shows that are 10 hours away so that they can stay on their perfect pastures at night. And when I turn them into the top hunters of the world I will be the only one who has horses of this nature and I can charge hundreds of thousands of dollars. And people wonder why the market is inflated. Because horses that can do their jobs without grain/supplements/drugs/shoes/etc. cost A LOT! and even some of those horses still have to have aids.

        Silly me... going 'natural'. Where's my carrot stick?

        I'm not saying that drugging is right, that's it's not an unfair advantage, etc. but what I'm saying is that it does happen and sometimes it might be ok (when it keeps people safe and keeps the horse happy). It should not be used as a crutch! Just as draw reins shouldn't mask poor training or pain supplements shouldn't cover up worn out bodies. Just as I'd be happier with a cocktail before I have to partake in any type of activity with crowds I'm sure that some horses have the same type of disability. Certainly keeping a horse out on pasture all the time is a great way to keep a horse and adding more exercise to mellow them (George's motto) but it just isn't always something that can be done because of our schedule. I'm not justifying aceing horses every time you ride or constantly keeping them on something but I certainly understand why folks do it. And who am I to judge?

        (if we could add some rolkur into this thread then we may be able to reach record responses- just a thought!)
        "are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn...I can yawn, because I ride better than you, Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn, you, not so much..." George Morris in Camden, SC

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        • #244
          Originally posted by Dirty Little Secret View Post
          ok I don't know how to do the quote thing but....


          (if we could add some rolkur into this thread then we may be able to reach record responses- just a thought!)
          There is a quite button at the bottom of the post, how to multiple quote beats me. And the rollkur has me cracked up. I'm against that too, have you (general you) seen x-rays of the horses poll that have been ridden that way?

          As long as the horse can't talk, I will. Even if my words are harsh, I hope they are temporiraly passing in your brain and leave a food for thought. Ultimately you (general) are responsible for your own actions, if you can justify every thing you do to your horse, then that is your thing.
          Marieke

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          • #245
            Originally posted by Dirty Little Secret View Post
            HorseyA is green, cute but not amazingly cute, pleasant, easy keeper, kind, etc. HorseyA however, is very spooky and is known for bolting from time to time. You say he doesn't need a poke but he needs a career change. But to what? No sane person would get on this horse and gallop across the country side in hopes of jumping solid obstacles, his dressage scores would be closely aligned to the amount of tension that is carried in the rubber bands of his butt and neck, stadium jumping? HA- brightly colored, purposefully scary fences- yeah right? Pleasure- we don't like scary things. HorseyA is happy in his nice quiet ring, pretty, plain fences, where things stay the same. But he's not fancy enough for a pro so of course if he is going to have a job then he must become either an A/A horse or a kids horse. Both of which are notorious divisions for mediocre riders. And which would require HorseyA to not act like an idiot.
            SO....
            Do you allow HorseyA to live in comfy barn, leading the life of a show horse knowing that he has to have a cc of ace
            or
            do you allow HorseyA to be bought, sold, and perhaps eventually be slaughtered because he doesn't really have a job that he fits into very well?

            Sigh... two very good sides to this argument. And alas each individual must decide what is right for them and their horse(s). Perhaps it's just a form of artificial selection?
            Why does "HorseyA" need to show at ALL? Not every horse is made to be a show horse. Perhaps this HorseyA is the type who would be happy at a clam being ridden and jumped at home with a rider who rides just because, well, they like riding.
            "Last time I picked your feet, you broke my toe!"

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            • #246
              Think there two ideas here.

              One about deliberate use of illegal performance enhancing or pain masking drugs to replace common sense, time, a suitable horse or a decent rider.

              The other is judicious use of legal meds in legal amounts to make the equine athlete comfortable far from it's natural environment and, maybe, lengthen it's career.

              There is a difference yet some are lumping everything together.
              When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

              The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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              • #247
                Originally posted by findeight View Post
                Think there two ideas here.

                One about deliberate use of illegal performance enhancing or pain masking drugs to replace common sense, time, a suitable horse or a decent rider.

                The other is judicious use of legal meds in legal amounts to make the equine athlete comfortable far from it's natural environment and, maybe, lengthen it's career.

                There is a difference yet some are lumping everything together.

                Well said! These two things are not even CLOSE to the same thing. Trying to keep a horse that likes his job (and is good at it) happy and free from discomfort (at LEGAL) amounts of medication is fine....because you would do the same for him at home right? But doping up your horse because you are a crappy rider, or he's too spooky, or you're trying to make him look good to sell him is just plain ridiculous. I can't even believe you would admit to that out loud If a horse is too spooky or too hyped up for the job and you can't get him around calmly without the use of drugs, then he just flat needs another job, it's that simple. Not every horse is suitable for the show ring, I'm not sure why people don't understand that?
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                • #248
                  Allow me to add that "horsey A" scenario presented with the only options either to sedate him because all lower level jump riders are crap and unable to handle the horse or send it to slaughter??

                  Little simplistic at best, bogus at worst.

                  Actually can't believe the choice of cheat or kill it was even introduced as an example to support the deliberate use of illegal drugs.
                  There ARE other options.
                  When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                  The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                  • #249
                    Originally posted by findeight View Post
                    Actually can't believe the choice of cheat or kill it was even introduced as an example to support the deliberate use of illegal drugs.
                    There ARE other options.
                    Yes, typically they include a better trainer!

                    Just because Horsey A isn't any good for trainer A doesn't mean it wouldn't be better for Trainer B who has a better program.
                    Stoneybrook Farm Afton TN

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                    • #250
                      Originally posted by findeight View Post
                      Think there two ideas here.

                      One about deliberate use of illegal performance enhancing or pain masking drugs to replace common sense, time, a suitable horse or a decent rider.

                      The other is judicious use of legal meds in legal amounts to make the equine athlete comfortable far from it's natural environment and, maybe, lengthen it's career.

                      There is a difference yet some are lumping everything together.
                      Perfectly put! Exactly what I wanted to say.

                      I've been on both ends of the extreme. I grew up at a QH farm where the drug rule was zero tolerance. Noone showed if they even had minimal soreness that a bute would help. That led to us having a lot of either very sound, dead quiet horses, or horses with rather short careers.

                      Then I worked at a H/J show farm where just about every horse, hunter, jumper or equitation, was given dex, bute/banamine, depo and metho (as well as Adequan and Legend). Some would get RVI, ketophan, tryptophan and other drugs that escape me at the moment. Every time I'd be told to give a horse a certain drug, I always made note of the amount, how far out it was given and then for my own knowledge, would check the rules to see if it was considered legal. Honestly, I didn't notice much of an attitude change with any of them. If anything, seemed to cut down on lunging time, therefore horses would stay sounder longer. I'm not in agreement this is the way to go at all. Just the way that barn did things. But man, the money these people spent...

                      I'm in the middle of the mix. My mare does best when she can stay outside at night, loaded on trailer in AM, 15 minute hack and into the show ring. When we are away at shows, some time on the lunge line helps, as does a gram of bute, sometimes metho if she worked hard, the 2nd or 3rd night away. She also gets dex because she is very prone to hives/coughing even when I bring my own shavings/wet her hay. However, I do not see a change her attitude, she is still the same horse who comes out fresh and a bit spooky. All it does it get rid of the stiffness from being stuck in a 10X10 stall for extended periods of time after jumping a few courses, and of course-dex cuts down on her allergies.

                      My point is I'm with those who feel as long as you stay within the rules, it can only help the horse. Obviously if you have to heavily drug a horse, ace it or whatever, then maybe that's not the right horse for you, or the right job for that particular horse. Within the legalized amounts and time given, I've never noticed a drastic change. A lame horse will not be sound on 1 bute, 6 hours before jumping 3 courses, and a hot horse won't be dead quiet on 5cc's of dex given the night before. JMHO!

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                      • #251
                        Originally posted by horsegirl520 View Post
                        My horse is a chicken -- he would never survive in the jumper ring. It would fry his brain. He isn't super quiet (due to nerves), however, a fantastic mover and jumper... he jumps well BECAUSE he's scared of the jumps. So would he be better suited for the jumper ring? I don't think so.
                        I THINK YOU HAVE MY HORSE?!?! haha That is also my horse to a T
                        P=N
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                        • #252
                          Originally posted by flshgordon View Post
                          Well said! These two things are not even CLOSE to the same thing. Trying to keep a horse that likes his job (and is good at it) happy and free from discomfort (at LEGAL) amounts of medication is fine....because you would do the same for him at home right? But doping up your horse because you are a crappy rider, or he's too spooky, or you're trying to make him look good to sell him is just plain ridiculous. I can't even believe you would admit to that out loud If a horse is too spooky or too hyped up for the job and you can't get him around calmly without the use of drugs, then he just flat needs another job, it's that simple. Not every horse is suitable for the show ring, I'm not sure why people don't understand that?



                          so you are telling me that a horse that jumps around 3'6'' without a problem on any given day at home but goes to the show ring and is afraid of things, not jumps, he has never stopped, just everything around the ring, that he cannot have something to calm his nerves?!?! how is that wrong. i dont understand. not to mention maybe if the European person who bred him didnt POLE HIM or scare the living day lights out of him, (who told the buyer, from US, the person i bought him from- that the first time they rode him he jumped 4')... then maybe we wouldnt have this problem. Now talk about something WRONG.
                          P=N
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                          • #253
                            Originally posted by trv_at_tacf View Post
                            [/U]

                            so you are telling me that a horse that jumps around 3'6'' without a problem on any given day at home but goes to the show ring and is afraid of things, not jumps, he has never stopped, just everything around the ring, that he cannot have something to calm his nerves?!?! how is that wrong. i dont understand.
                            Because it's illegal dah-ling. You don't get to cheat just because your horse is a fruitcake. The bute/banamine debate aside, it is very clearly against the rules to give your critter something to make it quieter.
                            "Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
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                            • #254
                              Originally posted by CuriosoJorge
                              Let's address the elephant hiding in the corner. Let's just say a horse (let's call him "Bush") was horse of the year in the zone. Let's just say it went to 40 horse shows. Let's just say that the most horse shows anyone else in that division did was 19. Why on God's green earth is it necessary for a horse to go to DOUBLE the number of shows of anyone else? Perhaps if the horse stayed home more often, it wouldn't need the lunge line, the dex, the methocarbamol, and the ketofen.
                              Why does it matter how many shows each person chooses to go to?? Do you look at how many shows your fellow competitors are doing & then decide how many you'll do?
                              "I'm not crazy...my mother had me tested"

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                              • #255
                                Originally posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
                                Because it's illegal dah-ling. You don't get to cheat just because your horse is a fruitcake. The bute/banamine debate aside, it is very clearly against the rules to give your critter something to make it quieter.
                                It is not illegal to give your horse certain drugs certain amount of hours b4 a competition. If you have vets telling u the proper dosage it is not illegal. Yes i disagree of the people using over the legal limit and within less hours, and yes there are ppl getting away with it. And how is it cheating when 90% of the competitors use it?!?! I mean some of the horses i show against, i have heard what they get, they have actually told us to try things, we never have because i would never give my horse that high of dosage. And by any means u do not have a right to call my horse a fruit cake because he is anything but that.

                                Im not changing my mind. My horse needs what he gets and if he breaks down then i will admit im wrong. But considering i did the same thing with my mare who did the 4' jumpers at the age of 4 with Debbie Stephens and other grand prix riders and she is now 19 and can jump around a 3' jumper course. Then i musta did something right.
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                                • #256
                                  In these situations, you know who I feel sorry for? The horse.

                                  Horse is perfectly happy showing away with Trainer A. Owners decide to sell this happy showing animal. New owners take the horse to Trainer B (their trainer). Now unless Trainer B is good friends with Trainer A or familiar with Trainer A's program to duplicate it themself, horse is now in a whole new world. No longer is he being given the same food, turn out, care, riding, maint (legal drugs) that he had been getting for XXXX amount of time. Horse is unhappy & changes performance. New owners aren't happy cause horse has changed. Trainer B isn't happy cause clients aren't happy AND horse isn't doing well. It's a shame cause now the horse is unhappy while Trainer B figures out what program the horse used to be on & gets it back on track. If they can ever get it back on track. How many times do you see a horse change barns & these things happen?
                                  "I'm not crazy...my mother had me tested"

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                                  • #257
                                    Originally posted by trv_at_tacf View Post
                                    It is not illegal to give your horse certain drugs certain amount of hours b4 a competition. If you have vets telling u the proper dosage it is not illegal. Yes i disagree of the people using over the legal limit and within less hours, and yes there are ppl getting away with it. And how is it cheating when 90% of the competitors use it?!?! I mean some of the horses i show against, i have heard what they get, they have actually told us to try things, we never have because i would never give my horse that high of dosage. And by any means u do not have a right to call my horse a fruit cake because he is anything but that.
                                    Yes, it is illegal. Using the drugs for the therapeutic purpose for which they were intended is legal. Using them to alter your horse's mood and/or mental state is not legal. And it is cheating. But whatev - do what you want, after all, those blue ribbons are so pretty!
                                    "Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
                                    -George Morris

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                                    • #258
                                      Originally posted by trv_at_tacf View Post
                                      [/u]

                                      so you are telling me that a horse that jumps around 3'6'' without a problem on any given day at home but goes to the show ring and is afraid of things, not jumps, he has never stopped, just everything around the ring, that he cannot have something to calm his nerves?!?! how is that wrong. i dont understand. not to mention maybe if the European person who bred him didnt POLE HIM or scare the living day lights out of him, (who told the buyer, from US, the person i bought him from- that the first time they rode him he jumped 4')... then maybe we wouldnt have this problem. Now talk about something WRONG.
                                      um yes....that's what I'm telling you. Why you ask? Because it's illegal? I don't care if 90% of everyone does it, it's still illegal. If the horse can't handle show nerves then maybe, just maybe he doesn't belong showing! Why the heck would you want to freak your horse out by showing just so you can get a blue ribbon? That I can't comprehend-how is that fun for anyone?

                                      No I don't agree with the fact that someone poled him and you got him with issues but that's YOUR problem. You bought him knowing the issues and assumed you could just break a few little rules to get him in the ring. And you expect people to just say "well I guess it's ok then"?

                                      You're violating the rules. But if you are giving the legal minimum dose and you don't care, then don't worry about it because you should be fine if he gets tested. Except when you submit the drug application form...do you have to say why you give it? Then you'd have to lie on that.
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                                      • #259
                                        Originally posted by trv_at_tacf View Post
                                        Im not changing my mind. My horse needs what he gets and if he breaks down then i will admit im wrong. But considering i did the same thing with my mare who did the 4' jumpers at the age of 4 with Debbie Stephens and other grand prix riders and she is now 19 and can jump around a 3' jumper course. Then i musta did something right.
                                        Lovely
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                                        • #260
                                          Originally posted by flshgordon View Post
                                          um yes....that's what I'm telling you. Why you ask? Because it's illegal? I don't care if 90% of everyone does it, it's still illegal. If the horse can't handle show nerves then maybe, just maybe he doesn't belong showing! Why the heck would you want to freak your horse out by showing just so you can get a blue ribbon? That I can't comprehend-how is that fun for anyone?

                                          No I don't agree with the fact that someone poled him and you got him with issues but that's YOUR problem. You bought him knowing the issues and assumed you could just break a few little rules to get him in the ring. And you expect people to just say "well I guess it's ok then"?

                                          You're violating the rules. But if you are giving the legal minimum dose and you don't care, then don't worry about it because you should be fine if he gets tested. Except when you submit the drug application form...do you have to say why you give it? Then you'd have to lie on that.

                                          I dont show to get a blue ribbon. No i dont expect ppl to say its ok. I dont understand why you are acting like im giving him an illegal amount and got tested and got away with it. That is not the case. I have had a pony tested before and had no problem. And they do call it a LEGAL minimum dosage for a reason. If it was so illegal then there wouldnt be a dosage that isnt tested. Or they would have tests that go back even farther on days. I dont use Dex, now i have used it before and the minimum amount, and then i had other trainers saying how much they used on their horse and it was 3x the amount. Now that is very much violating the rules. But its not like i said oh if they can do it then i can too and upped my dosage. No way. I have shown for 20 years, and i have never asked a horse to do more then he can handle. My horse and I have won some big shows but there are still some shows where he is very scared. So how can you tell me he doesnt belong on the show ring.
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