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  • #181
    Originally posted by horsegirl520 View Post
    If you want to be competitive, your horse has to be quiet and brilliant... end of story. Its easy for some horses to be like that, but for others, they need some help. It would be a waste to put the more "up" horses straight into the jumper ring... why waste beautiful movers, jumpers, and overall animals because they are a little too high strung?
    How would it be a WASTE for a horse to go to another disciple that it is better suited for?
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    • #182
      I use it...a lot and it does work. I use the lunge line. I use Dex. I use Ketophen. I use Methocarbonal. I use anything that will keep my horse OFF the lunge line as much as possible and be competitive.
      Now I agree it is all wrong. But if I'm going to play I'm going to play on a level field.
      It's the field that's flawed.
      What is wrong with the system is not the drugs...it's the judging requirements for the horses. What in the hell is wrong with a little hump in their back and facial expression and tail swishing. What's wrong with a small high five out of a horse enjoying it's job. Not to the hunter judges!! So if the standards were changed, this would be ok. Mares could come in heat and be "interested" and geldings could be sociable and expressive. But I don't make the standards nor the rules. I'm just an amateur who rides the horse in the direction it's going. Even if it's over the cliff.

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      • #183
        Originally posted by HECS04 View Post
        How would it be a WASTE for a horse to go to another disciple that it is better suited for?
        Because other disciplines don't over inflate the prices of their horses to the point where they are worth more than a house. Thus "a waste".

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        • #184
          Originally posted by BridalBridle View Post
          I use it...a lot and it does work. I use the lunge line. I use Dex. I use Ketophen. I use Methocarbonal. I use anything that will keep my horse OFF the lunge line as much as possible and be competitive.
          Now I agree it is all wrong. But if I'm going to play I'm going to play on a level field.
          It's the field that's flawed.
          What is wrong with the system is not the drugs...it's the judging requirements for the horses. What in the hell is wrong with a little hump in their back and facial expression and tail swishing. What's wrong with a small high five out of a horse enjoying it's job. Not to the hunter judges!! So if the standards were changed, this would be ok. Mares could come in heat and be "interested" and geldings could be sociable and expressive. But I don't make the standards nor the rules. I'm just an amateur who rides the horse in the direction it's going. Even if it's over the cliff.
          Oh my gosh, that is soooo sad!
          You guys just need to shut down this thread, as it is making hunters look REALLY sorry
          Can't say I didn't learn something here though

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          • #185
            Originally posted by BridalBridle View Post
            I use it...a lot and it does work. I use the lunge line. I use Dex. I use Ketophen. I use Methocarbonal. I use anything that will keep my horse OFF the lunge line as much as possible and be competitive.
            Now I agree it is all wrong. But if I'm going to play I'm going to play on a level field.
            It's the field that's flawed.
            What is wrong with the system is not the drugs...it's the judging requirements for the horses. What in the hell is wrong with a little hump in their back and facial expression and tail swishing. What's wrong with a small high five out of a horse enjoying it's job. Not to the hunter judges!! So if the standards were changed, this would be ok. Mares could come in heat and be "interested" and geldings could be sociable and expressive. But I don't make the standards nor the rules. I'm just an amateur who rides the horse in the direction it's going. Even if it's over the cliff.
            And this is why any horse I buy gets blood pulled & checked for those "special" cocktails! Goodness, if ribbons are that important to you, that you have to drug the heck out your horse to place, then why not just go and buy a horse more suited to the hunters &/or just learn to deal with the horse you've got! Sorry, but you'll get NO sympathy from me with what you've admitted to giving your horse to make him quiet........
            Go Ahead: This is a dare, not permission. Don't Do It!

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            • #186
              Because other disciplines don't over inflate the prices of their horses to the point where they are worth more than a house.
              Sure they do. A winning dressage schoolmaster or top event horse doesn't come cheap. A good horse - in whatever discipline - is a valuable animal. This is especially true if the horse takes care of an amateur or junior. Accordingly, I seriously doubt that show hunters are the only horses that see a longe line or a needle.

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              • #187
                Originally posted by BridalBridle View Post
                I use it...a lot and it does work. I use the lunge line. I use Dex. I use Ketophen. I use Methocarbonal. I use anything that will keep my horse OFF the lunge line as much as possible and be competitive.
                Now I agree it is all wrong. But if I'm going to play I'm going to play on a level field.
                It's the field that's flawed.
                What is wrong with the system is not the drugs...it's the judging requirements for the horses. What in the hell is wrong with a little hump in their back and facial expression and tail swishing. What's wrong with a small high five out of a horse enjoying it's job. Not to the hunter judges!! So if the standards were changed, this would be ok.                 Mares could come in heat and be "interested" and geldings could be sociable and expressive. But I don't make the standards nor the rules. I'm just an amateur who rides the horse in the direction it's going. Even if it's over the cliff.
                I showed this small pony hunter once. A Rollingwoods.. gorgeous little mare. Everyone would always be coming up saying how fancy and how much of a good mover she was. I would usually win the hacks, if not maybe second, btu that was rare. At one A show in NJ, i got nothing in the flat and we were totally in wonder, I am not sure if the judge approached the owner or if the owner approached the judge but her reason being was "too much animation". I dont see how that could be a bad thing?!

                I have also been to alot of shows with judges pinning the horses that barely make it over the jump, have rubs and taps because they are so kick quiet. What is so wrong with a horse that jumps a few inches over the top and never touches a jump? See these are the things that make people use supplements or drugs. I deg agree to who said it is the playing field that is flawed. Who is going to spend thousands of dollars going to show after show just to lose... im sorry you can be the best rider in the world, if ur horse is not quiet enough or etc etc then you really have no chance. Yes there are judges out there that like a good jumper and dont mind a little spook here and there but they are rare in the higher circuits.

                And like i said i would rather give my horse something, legal dosage, and not on a continuous basis..then lunge/work the S.. H... I... T... of of him... My horse doesnt have the best of feet, so what is better for him, have a small dosage of something before a show, or lunge him for an hour, school him twice, have a professsional show him before i do, and jump 100 jumps, couldnt that eventually make a horse lame, after continuously doing that... even a perfectly sound horse, so what about a hrose already with a minor foot problem? i have given my horse dex, he gets the legal dosage that our vet has suggested, but there have been times where other trainers have told us what they use, and it has been sometimes 3x what we use. I believe that is wrong. Just like 2 or 3 tylenols are good for a headache.. helps u feel better, taking 15 or 20 is not good for you, could kill you. But what i was getting at, A horse going to 3 shows a week for years without any drugs will kill the horse before MOST "legal" dosage of drugs will.

                ugh i am just so frustrated!
                P=N
                If you run out of patience, you run out of nice.

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                • #188
                  Originally posted by BridalBridle View Post
                  I use it...a lot and it does work. I use the lunge line. I use Dex. I use Ketophen. I use Methocarbonal. I use anything that will keep my horse OFF the lunge line as much as possible and be competitive.
                  Now I agree it is all wrong. But if I'm going to play I'm going to play on a level field.

                  HOLY CRAP!!!!!
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                  "There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it"

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                  • #189
                    Holy crap is right.

                    You (and your poor horses) have NO ONE to blame but yourself. This is inexcuseable. If you have to drug a horse to do something, they ARE NOT READY to do what you are asking them to do.

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                    • #190
                      ok DMK

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                      • #191
                        Originally posted by BridalBridle View Post
                        I use it...a lot and it does work. I use the lunge line. I use Dex. I use Ketophen. I use Methocarbonal. I use anything that will keep my horse OFF the lunge line as much as possible and be competitive.
                        Now I agree it is all wrong. But if I'm going to play I'm going to play on a level field.
                        It's the field that's flawed.
                        What is wrong with the system is not the drugs...it's the judging requirements for the horses. What in the hell is wrong with a little hump in their back and facial expression and tail swishing. What's wrong with a small high five out of a horse enjoying it's job. Not to the hunter judges!! So if the standards were changed, this would be ok. Mares could come in heat and be "interested" and geldings could be sociable and expressive. But I don't make the standards nor the rules. I'm just an amateur who rides the horse in the direction it's going. Even if it's over the cliff.
                        This is why I do not aspire to show at the highest level any more. I don't have that 'do whatever it takes to win no matter what' attitude .
                        Auventera Two:Some women would eat their own offspring if they had some dipping sauce.
                        Serious Leigh: it sounds like her drama llama should be an old schoolmaster by now.

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                        • #192
                          Originally posted by horsegirl520 View Post
                          What should be illegal is lunging a horse for 2 hours in the morning, followed by flatting for 2 hours... then finally showing... I'd much rather give my horse something that will help him relax than wearing out his joints. .

                          That, however, is a false dichotomy.
                          It shouldn't be an either/or with those as the only 2 choices.
                          "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                          ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                          • #193
                            Originally posted by BridalBridle View Post
                            I use it...a lot and it does work. I use the lunge line. I use Dex. I use Ketophen. I use Methocarbonal. I use anything that will keep my horse OFF the lunge line as much as possible and be competitive.
                            Now I agree it is all wrong. But if I'm going to play I'm going to play on a level field.
                            It's the field that's flawed.
                            What is wrong with the system is not the drugs...it's the judging requirements for the horses. What in the hell is wrong with a little hump in their back and facial expression and tail swishing. What's wrong with a small high five out of a horse enjoying it's job. Not to the hunter judges!! So if the standards were changed, this would be ok. Mares could come in heat and be "interested" and geldings could be sociable and expressive. But I don't make the standards nor the rules. I'm just an amateur who rides the horse in the direction it's going. Even if it's over the cliff.
                            Holy shit.
                            Originally posted by barka.lounger
                            u get big old crop and bust that nags ass the next time it even slow down.

                            we see u in gp ring in no time.

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                            • #194
                              Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
                              That, however, is a false dichotomy.
                              It shouldn't be an either/or with those as the only 2 choices.
                              Awesome, awesome, awesome point...

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                              • #195
                                Originally posted by DMK View Post



                                So in the strictest interpretation, Regumate could be a problem for any horse, right? How are you going to test for inappropriate levels of a naturally occurring hormone?
                                Regumate is not a "naturally occurring hormone.
                                It is altrenogest, a synthetic progestogen.
                                One of the nice things about the stuff is that it doesn't cross react when testing for progesterone levels, so if you have a pregnant mare on Regumate, you can check her endogenous progesterone levels to see whether she, in fact, needs to be on it.

                                And IMNSHO, I don't think geldings, mares, or stallions ought to be allowed to show on the stuff.
                                "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                • #196
                                  Originally posted by DMK View Post
                                  I can think of no time in the last 2 decades when there was any trainer giving anything other than the current suggested levels - I'm sure there were a few people who were this stupid, but to say it was all the rage overstates the case.
                                  Not overstating it al that much.
                                  The drug testing program was monitoring dexamethasone for awhile before any regulations were instituted.
                                  One of the reasons for the regulation was that there was so damn much of the stuff being found in random samples that it was felt that it was indicative of widespread misuse.
                                  "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                  ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                  • #197
                                    ghazzu, I wouldn't argue for a moment there is wide spread use/abuse. As I've said, I think the current "legal" amount qualifies as "abuse". I would just argue that there was not any significant amount of people injecting their horses with over 20mg of dex per day, never mind 5-7 times that amount, as was alleged. I mean 100 to 140 mg per day? Does a horse even survive that?
                                    Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                                    • #198
                                      Originally posted by 2boys View Post
                                      You (and your poor horses) have NO ONE to blame but yourself. This is inexcuseable. If you have to drug a horse to do something, they ARE NOT READY to do what you are asking them to do.
                                      perhaps it is not that the horse is not ready, but that the rider cannot ride it without it drugged to the gills.
                                      ~Living the life I imagined~

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                                      • #199
                                        Originally posted by TrueColours View Post
                                        We have one Egyptian Arabian breeder around here who insists on breeding daughters to fathers time and time again, because the end result is the coveted and much desirable *black* colour
                                        YOU are criticizing another breeder for letting color trump responsible breeding decisions?

                                        Really?

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                                        • #200
                                          Originally posted by HECS04 View Post
                                          How would it be a WASTE for a horse to go to another disciple that it is better suited for?
                                          My horse is a chicken -- he would never survive in the jumper ring. It would fry his brain. He isn't super quiet (due to nerves), however, a fantastic mover and jumper... he jumps well BECAUSE he's scared of the jumps. So would he be better suited for the jumper ring? I don't think so.

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