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ANOTHER UPDATE PAGE 10 Client won't heed trainer's advice re horse purchase...

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  • You definitely did the right thing. I would have wished for a trainer like you. I have ended up in very bad "horse buying" situations. And my old trainer gave me no advice nor a good opinion, on a green horse i thought i could handle. And as soon as you find something nice, my goals changed, and then went back to my original goals, and I couldn't beleive the choice i had made. It is there loss. I'd totally forget about the situation and them, and just tihnk about what you really need to tihnk about. These people are obviously the past. Good job trying though. After the spook where the hrose buckled to his knees, I would've been out of there. Nice job dealing with it. You definitely seem like a respectful trainer.

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    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Plumcreek:
      So mom is buying half the horse and trainer retains half? Sounds like NO VET CHECK!. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Oh, wow. I never even thought of that. You are so right.
      In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
      A life lived by example, done too soon.
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      • Definitely sounds like no vet check.

        Out of curiosity, is this owner/breeder/trainer a fairly good-looking male person?

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        • ARRRRRRGH!
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          • You did the best thing warefox... I just hope the child doesn't get hurt in the mist of things, w/ this so called trainer and the wonder-horse..

            I too think you haven't heard the last from this family.. But whatever you do dont give in...
            Let the horse go, get out of its way, it knows what to do...Stop pulling and keep kicking!!!!!!

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sounds like the mom's in love </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

              With which???
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              • Ware, it sounds as though you handled this mess with grace and aplomb. To say nothing of integrity, patience, and professionalism. Hats off to you.
                I, too, hope the child isn't hurt by this critter.... and may mom get what's coming to her. And wannabe? Yeah, him/her, too! (see my previous post)
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                • discussting i know a very discusting trainer by us also i would share the gory details but i'm afraid to get called out on it so no gory details.
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                  • Kind of sounds like a person I know who did the "You buy half and we'll share him.." thing.

                    Spent a TON of money. Rarely rode the horse and, at the end of the winter the "trainer" thanked her for her time. When "friend" asked her what she meant....she OWNED half this horse....
                    "Trainer" told her that she REALLY ought to read the contract closer next time!


                    I hope this kid is at least enjoying riding the other horses she has available...

                    Cinder
                    Basically, she paid $15k to LEASE this horse over the winter!

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                    • Well 18k for a 2'er PLUS, no doubt, a lease fee for the pasture nag also in the 2'?

                      What goes around......
                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                        It really is a shame. I spoke with another trainer friend of mine who was at the show (I had left by the time Wonderhorse and co. appeared) New trainer was riding the horse and apparently cleared the schooling area with his misbehavior. The horse the child was riding looked very much as if he had "just been pulled out of a field." Neither horse pinned in the modest 2' division even though rumor has it the family is taking out a second mortgage in order to finance the child's (or is it the mother's?) dreams. This local show was a week before Upperville at which Wonderhorse did not make an appearance, despite the previous promises of new trainer.

                        There are some bad bad people in the horse world. And there really is a sucker born every minute.
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                        • Warefox, these clients made a CHOICE. Life is about choices and their results. As the line in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade goes..."they chose poorly." They won't turn to dust but reap equally poor results. BUT that is what they chose.

                          Let it go. They are where they choose to be at the moment.
                          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                          The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                          • warefox, I did not read the whole thread but got the idea pretty quickly I think this happens to all of us at some point. You can only step back and watch it unfold. It is always driven by an overambitious, knows-just-enough-to-be-dangerous mom. The only consolation you may ever have is that you never did them wrong.. but you know, in the end, that feels good and it will continue to feel good
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                            • warefox, thanks for the update. Sorry to hear that the situation has turned out just as badly as everyone feared it would.

                              The one who really amazes me is the mom. Surely, after three (or four?) years of her daughter's successes with you, she should be able to spot good (or at least, successful) riding/training from bad and spend her money accordingly? And taking out a second mortgage for a POS?!?!?

                              There really IS one born every minute, isn't there? Stupidity should be painful. But if it were, this woman would be comatose. Like that's a bad thing........

                              Sorry to sound harsh, but what a freaking waste. And that poor, poor kid - how embarassed she must be. I'm amazed she's still riding.
                              In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                              A life lived by example, done too soon.
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