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    Welll ohhhh I hate to jump on this train...consider this more of a general personal preference of mine "i would rather have my feelings hurt than my horse or chances at a ribbon." very rarely can all 3 escape with out at least a minor flesh wound.


      Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post

      I have made plenty of progress and developed some really lovely horses with "lesser" trainers without asking my horses trick questions, whacking them randomly, getting sent on a suicide mission, or being called an idiot.
      You are officially my favorite person in the COTH Forum, for this. Even a 3 1/2 year hiatus between posts on this thread was worth waiting for, to hear it articulated in this way.


        Old thread but there are plenty of tough trainers out there that can get their point across with out resorting to insults.

        Also I think GM needs to retire. He will tell his riders to do an incredibly difficult exercise and berate them should they make a mistake, instead of providing constructive criticisms to help the rider improve (the entire point of riding in a clinic)

        The man has contributed an enormous amount of knowledge to our sport, but he is clearly burnt out and needs to retire. Maybe keep the Horsemastership clinic.
        Talking to some people is like folding a fitted sheet.


          I almost feel I shouldn't add to the old thread, but I read things like the posts above, and can't help feeling as though I must have been tricked when I thought I was riding with GM himself. And shame on me, it happened twice! I took my green, sensitive mare to two clinics with him, and never felt bullied, tricked or sent on a suicide mission. I also didn't feel once that I unfairly got after her on his direction, and that is coming from someone who is far more likely to ignore a mistake than punish the horse for it. Either I ride with GM's doppleganger (based on the descriptions of the absolute ogre he's supposed to be), or maybe he's just gentler with us Canadians???


            Thread was resurrected (now deleted) by the same person so creeped out by a shirtless boarder picking out his horse's pen. Sigh. "Go with your gut, girl" (sarcasm font)
            Come to the dark side, we have cookies


              I have nothing against GM but what I dislike it's his legacy of imitators. Many trainers not as gifted or "charming" copy his style to the detriment of his students and staff.


                I have to say most of those who are horrified by GM's teaching methods, would never have survived the 60's , Back then if you were that sensitive you would not have been riding and showing in this sport , but then again back then it was sport and tough was a requirement.


                  Originally posted by MIKES MCS View Post
                  I have to say most of those who are horrified by GM's teaching methods, would never have survived the 60's , Back then if you were that sensitive you would not have been riding and showing in this sport , but then again back then it was sport and tough was a requirement.
                  Perhaps, but at this point I think GM knows he is God, so he likes to toy with us and watch us peons sweat and squirm
                  Talking to some people is like folding a fitted sheet.


                    Every year I watch the live feed of the Master Horsemanship Clinic, and while I do get valuable info from watching it, I find myself wondering why the accomplished riders participating waste their time with it. The riders already train with the best, they have already accomplished more than many ever will, and they go along with being publicly belittled? It isn't about them, it's about making GM look cool.

                    Every year when he singles out a rider and essentially tells him/her that she is stupid and can't ride I can't help but want to be able to say to him: "NO, they don't suck, and they have already proven that."

                    I hope none of them believe those remarks... It'd be a shame. The idol worship is the root of the problem, while I agree with meupatdoes that he does a lot of ridiculous things, he does have just as many good things to offer, however he can't seem to offer them without involving his ego. It does sound like his smaller clinics are much nicer, but when the spotlight is on he definitely shows his true colors.

                    "Pat the horse; kick yourself" - Carl Hester


                      I'm not going to comment on GM's style of teaching, but as one who learned to ride during the late 50's and 60's, and showed extensively in the 60's and 70's, I was never bullied or berated. Had I been, and being a sensitive and introverted person, I'd probably be knitting now instead of still riding horses.


                        I've watched the horsemanship clinic for several years and have never seen "bullying". Ive seen harsh criticism after a rider makes the same mistake repeatedly because they don't follow directions as to what jump to go to and in what pattern. I've always thought he's been extremely complimentary to those riders in that clinic.


                          I always enjoy these threads.....

                          I wouldn't ever ride with him simply because I can't understand what he's saying anymore. So I would likely be called a lot of things but it wouldn't matter because I wouldn't be able to hear it anyway!


                            So I've often wondered this. I've ridden with some BNT (not GM - and have no desire to be yelled at by him). Some of these BNT were from the older crowd, so just a bit younger then GM and others are from a new generation. And what I wonder is why the older generation of trainers feel the need to yell, reduce riders to tears, ridicule? I'm not riding with people who have the Olympics in mind, most time they are either young pre-teens or teens who just love horses and competing, or they are adult re-riders.

                            Yes the last BNT had many of us in tears at the end, but he did push us past our fears. More because we were more scared of him then the jumps or the height he pushed us to. But the risk behind that is to turn someone off riding, and have them just shut down completely.

                            I struggle with a trainer telling you to do something, you may not get it right - but your trying and your ridiculed for not doing it correctly, told your not listening. Well its not that I'm not listening, but you have 20 odd years of bad riding to change, if you think its as easy as oh you said do it that way. Well bam changed it, fixed it.

                            I know they are passionate about what they do, and maybe its just set in their ways... but its not a way to mentor the new coaches. Fear based teaching doesn't help anyone. Just kind of curious as to why that method.... maybe thats the only way they knew then?


                              His methods and riding just don't do it for me, let alone his attitude. I've never quite understood the obsession with him.


                                Originally posted by rileyt View Post
                                At what point does USEF say, "Thanks for all you've done George... but its best you ride off into the sunset now. Your mouth and unprofessional behavior no longer outweighs your considerable equestrian knowledge."

                                I don't know who he said that to, but he owes the young lady an apology. A SINCERE apology, with a promise to himself that he will never again sink to the level of calling students names that wouldn't be tolerated in Kindergarten. For all he preaches about how Americans have become so soft and undisciplined... you'd think he'd start by having the self-discipline to act in accordance with basic courtesy.
                                I agree.

                                There are other people who can teach effectively. This era of verbally abusing people needs to be over.

                                This is not the example we should be holding up to our young riders, or to anyone else.

                                Just wanted to throw in a vote ... because yes this thread won't really be a discussion to follow.


                                  Oh please. This thread, again?

                                  "Accomplished" riders participate in the Horsemastership clinic because it is part of their development track, and someone associated with each of them recognizes the fact that as decorated as they are, the level at which they have been successful is only about a third of the way up the ladder of international success with the top being the Olympic and WEG medal podium, which is the goal for many, if not most of them.

                                  There is a great deal of difference between teaching and training aimed at imparting genuine knowledge, making a rider's ascent up the development ladder to the upper rungs far more likely and the superficial 'prepping' practiced by a large percentage of trainers whose aim is to 'keep their customers happy' by ensuring they are never exposed to anything beyond the boundaries of their comfort zone, that the the sales/board/training/show bills are paid, and that the tack room banner is covered in ribbons each week.

                                  One keeps the 'business' end of the industry going for those who participate on a recreational basis, the other is what will keep our body of knowledge about horsemanship and riding intact and improve it over time, allowing us to remain competitive internationally.

                                  If you don't like GM's style, you are not alone, but at this point, changing it will not likely ever be a serious option. Move along, already.
                                  Inner Bay Equestrian


                                    I am with MOC, "OH PLEASE!" Its like tv, if you dont like it, don't watch it.
                                    "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"


                                      He is an icon. You don't get to iconic status by playing it safe and not challenging people. I have taken clinics by some of the " play it safe/ do nothing" folks with pretty big names and I learned very little, was challenged not a bit, and frankly thought " If we will only jump a tiny hunter course for two days, with just a lot of pats on the back, I will have learned nothing". Yes, the riders were all kept " safe". But no one gets a thing out of a clinic where the clinician is so checked out he or she doesn't sometimes express frustration, or elation, or joy, or disappointment. GM cares, and he expresses it. And if he is mad at you, he won't treat you like you are 5. But everyone who is privileged to attend one of his clinics knows what to expect. If you are thin-skinned, unprepared, not paying attention, or don't ride well enough, or your horse won't jump water, or you are out of are a fool to sign up. God bless GM. We can't coddle and pamper the too level at this sport, most of which are very wealthy and coddled in all other aspects of their life. May he live to be 150.


                                        For those of you deep in h/j world you may not know the name but check out Denny Emmerson. Another icon that has a huge resume and he does not treat people like that. He always addresses fitness and what is best for the horse. They are from the same generation of riders but Denny has crossed different disciplines and is very active and available to everyone that can get to him. No need to be rude. He is friendly and wonderful with kids just starting out and with ammy adults too... He does not need the fear factor...
                                        Mai Tai aka Tyler RIP March 1994-December 2011
                                        Grief is the price we pay for love- Gretchen Jackson
                                        "And here she comes. Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's ZENYATTA!"


                                          Denny is no saint, either. There is something in the horse world for everyone. It's a matter of style. If you don't like GM's (or anyone else's for that matter), just move along.