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    I wish I had the opportunity to have George Morris "bully" me!!! I would just about die if I got to even audit a clinic. I really don't think he is too harsh, these girls own peers probably call them worse names. They are not too hard off. They have expensive horses, the best trainers, and show opportunities they are very very lucky ladies and gentleman!

    Riding with George Morris is very valuable to these young adults riding careers. They knew what they were getting into, I am pretty sure it was no surprise. I thought he seemed nice during the whole clinic. A bit grumpy sometimes, but it works for him. I'm a young adult adult and being called a dumbbell or whatnot would not offend me, it may even be true heheh !!! I like that he says things like they are, sometimes tough love is the way to go. I really don't think he is a mean person, and I think he wants to see his students succeed which is the real reason he is so tough on them sometimes.

    I learned so much by just watching the clinic! I am really thankful that it was available to the public! Big thank you to whoever made that possible

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      Lucassb, excellent post. Especially the analogy about use of the stick.

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        As someone who is actually at this clinic and seeing all of the rides and riders and the whole situation I have to say that George has been very gentle with that particular rider. I've seen him give clinics before and saw the abruptness that people complain about but, in this instance I think dumbbell is the nicer option...

        While I'm certainly not at the level of these riders I would never go into a lesson or clinic with the "I-know-everything-and-don't-need-to-listen-to-you" attitude.

        If you watched today's session you'll see that she does get "yelled" at again today. I do not think she'll take his "dumbell" comment to heart. In addition to that comment he has also had positive comments for her as with every rider at this clinic. During the photo critique he was harshest with his own position and there has been a lot of laughter through out the week.
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          Originally posted by BLBGP View Post
          Where does it say he was yelling?

          Although in your situation of the cop yelling at the lady with the umbrella in front of her face, perhaps that did save her life if she was about to walk into traffic.




          Apparently it made this rider snap back into action and do the exercise correctly. And he said dumbbell, not stupid. And they ate together and laughed afterwards.
          So.... the ends justify the means...... And IME there is no difference between being called a dumbbell or stupid.

          As I said earlier, no one will know if she suceeded because or in spite of the comment. It may just have taken that long to click... maybe maybe not.

          Finally, just because they ate and laughed together later does not mean the comment was OK or that the rider was not negatively affected by it.

          BTW I think GM is a brillant horseman and has much to teach - I respect his knowledge and experience. I also believe that if you sign up for his clinic his reputation precedes him and you should expect the kind of comments discussed here. That just doesn't mean that it is either the best approach or an acceptable approach.

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            Since that dead horse is starting to stink and we are actually getting facts about the context of what was said now??

            Perhaps this one is done?

            All are free to express an opinion but...maybe hold off on pronouncing sweeping personal judgements of somebody?
            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

            The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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              Okay people lets gain a little perspective. GM does not teach short stirrup riders for a living (although he wrote a fabulous book on how to teach them), he trains top level athletes. I think the confusion lies in ones expectations from the different trainers at different levels.

              At the highest level (and lets not forget that the sole purpose of this clinic is to identify and nurture our elite up and comers), coaches are in the business of PUSHING athletes to become better, not to have to teach them the basics. There is no coddling at the top and no room for failing to follow directions. I have been around A LOT of top coaches (especially when I was running track in college), and the biggest thing they have in common is the ability to push.

              The top levels of sports is not for everyone. The mentality is simply different. Coaches will often resort to different tactics to push their athletes whether that means giving them the ominous angry stare (which meant they were so disappointed they couldn't even come up with words to say) or yelling at them, etc. The truth is, at some point an athlete will have all the ability and knowledge but will need someone to PUSH them to the next level. Its mental toughness that will often make or break top athletes.

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                "Dumbbell"? Oh, the horror! The shame!

                One of DD's favorite trainers used to yell a lot worse at her students. They were a bunch of spoiled brats who NEVER paid attention. They'd start whining and, horrifyingly, CRYING, when they were being chastised for not following instructions. I couldn't believe it when I picked up DD one day and she said, "Susie started crying and [trainer] told her to get off and go home." I asked DD if SHE ever cried. Her response: Of course not! I just get mad for not doing it right, and try harder.
                I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care. ~ Dave Barry

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                  If these riders sign up to lesson/clinic with GM, then Im sure they are fully aware of his teaching style. I would think that they knew going into it that they would not be pacified and were in for heavy criticism if they did not perform to his standards. He has always been this way, and if they were afraid to get their feelings hurt then they should have chosen to ride with a trainer who has a different demeanor.
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                    Originally posted by findeight View Post
                    So...being clearly and repeatedly told to spiral in several times (a common excercise at top levels) was too complicated?
                    Evidently it was, because she couldn't do it. Was calling her a dumbell supposed to help?
                    "She is not fragile like a flower. She is fragile like a bomb."

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                      Buglet is right on.....
                      GM has become who he is from the wonderful opportunities he has had from past top trainers.

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                        Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post
                        Evidently it was, because she couldn't do it. Was calling her a dumbell supposed to help?
                        Well apparently it did.

                        And, if she could not do that spiral excercise and ignored instructions?? Sorry, she had no business wasting his time, her fellow rider's time and the time of those who bought plane tickets and paid to watch this Masters clinic with, supposedly, TOP Juniors and Young Rider candidate adults.

                        And it is with heavy heart I bid you all farewell, adieu, auf federstein(sp?) goodbye.

                        That dead horse is really stinking the place up here.
                        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                        The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                          Okay, I gave up trying to read every post.

                          1. Yes, it was inappropriate. It is appropriate to critique the athlete's actions, not to go at them as a person.

                          2. GM is a very gifted trainer. He does sometimes cross the line from being blunt to bullying. He does not seem to know/care where the line is.

                          3. Skating used to have coaches like this. Maybe there are still some bottom-feeders who are. But after some very nasty exposes about the physical and mental state of the people who went through that sort of coaching, US Figure Skating and the PSA have in fact cracked down on it. (I don't know if gymnastics actually changed or just went more underground, but they at least seem to have fewer visible anorexics.) A coach who called a student an idiot and berated them in front of everyone would not be accepted as 'toughening.' You get tough about the action, not the person.

                          4. Some of the people saying 'they have to learn to take it' seem to have confused abuse with being blunt. It is not a matter of calling someone an f---ing moron versus 'everyone's a winner' and nothing in between. My old dance teacher was blunt, and in fact probably had kid gloves on with me if anything. He never called me names--he might have said a figure was really, really wrong, he might get frustrated that something's not working, he might even laugh at something I did, but he did not make it about me the person. It's "You did that wrong", not "You're stupid." GM seems very fuzzy about this.

                          Be blunt. You don't have to sugar-coat. Say "Get your g--d--- heels DOWN!" if you must. (Uh...not that I have ever said that when watching my brother school. Really.) Not "Can't you do anything right, you idiot?"
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                            Originally posted by danceronice View Post
                            Okay, I gave up trying to read every post.

                            1. Yes, it was inappropriate. It is appropriate to critique the athlete's actions, not to go at them as a person.

                            2. GM is a very gifted trainer. He does sometimes cross the line from being blunt to bullying. He does not seem to know/care where the line is.

                            3. Skating used to have coaches like this. Maybe there are still some bottom-feeders who are. But after some very nasty exposes about the physical and mental state of the people who went through that sort of coaching, US Figure Skating and the PSA have in fact cracked down on it. (I don't know if gymnastics actually changed or just went more underground, but they at least seem to have fewer visible anorexics.) A coach who called a student an idiot and berated them in front of everyone would not be accepted as 'toughening.' You get tough about the action, not the person.

                            4. Some of the people saying 'they have to learn to take it' seem to have confused abuse with being blunt. It is not a matter of calling someone an f---ing moron versus 'everyone's a winner' and nothing in between. My old dance teacher was blunt, and in fact probably had kid gloves on with me if anything. He never called me names--he might have said a figure was really, really wrong, he might get frustrated that something's not working, he might even laugh at something I did, but he did not make it about me the person. It's "You did that wrong", not "You're stupid." GM seems very fuzzy about this.

                            Be blunt. You don't have to sugar-coat. Say "Get your g--d--- heels DOWN!" if you must. (Uh...not that I have ever said that when watching my brother school. Really.) Not "Can't you do anything right, you idiot?"
                            well said!

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                              Originally posted by findeight View Post
                              Well apparently it did.

                              And, if she could not do that spiral excercise and ignored instructions?? Sorry, she had no business wasting his time, her fellow rider's time and the time of those who bought plane tickets and paid to watch this Masters clinic with, supposedly, TOP Juniors and Young Rider candidate adults.

                              And it is with heavy heart I bid you all farewell, adieu, auf federstein(sp?) goodbye.

                              That dead horse is really stinking the place up here.
                              Yes it is. Bye.
                              "She is not fragile like a flower. She is fragile like a bomb."

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                                This all reminds me of Douglas C. Neidermeyer

                                Neidermeyer: Redo those buttons! Dress that belt buckle! Straighten that cap! And goddamn it, tuck up those pajamas! Attention! Eyes front! What's that on your chest, mister?

                                Flounder: It's a pledge pin, sir.

                                Neidermeyer: A pledge pin! On your uniform?

                                Or, as he screamed in the Twisted Sister video, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO WITH YOUR LIFE?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                Last edited by Coreene; Jan. 7, 2011, 07:48 PM.

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                                  He's getting nicer as he gets older actually... lol

                                  At one clinic he told my friend that she "sure was pretty but couldn't ride for her life"

                                  We still laugh about it to this day and that 1 comment didn't discourage her from riding (and winning).
                                  If only horses would use their athletic powers for good instead of evil. ~ MHM

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                                    Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                                    Okay, would you accept this from a cop? I once saw a cop scream at a woman and call her stupid (and a few other choice names) because she did not see him raising a hand to stop pedestrian traffic near a parking ramp exit. (It was raining and it was very hard to see him.) He called her often and started calling her names and giving her a lecture. I saw the whole thing. She just had her umbrella tipped in front of her (for good reason) and honestly did not see him.

                                    When I called to complain because this guy was treating someone so poorly and calling her names, I was told by the officer on the phone, "We're trained tell the truth to people."

                                    Seriously? They hide behind that? Seriously, George can hide behind that just because it worked?

                                    Like I said, I am NOT a PC person, but this just smacks of bullying an an inability on the screamer's part to communicate. They need to go learn better communication skills.
                                    What?? I don't get what you're saying... Huh?

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                                      Originally posted by Doctracy View Post
                                      20-30 years ago it was also ok to beat your wife and kids. I would hope we've made progress as a society!
                                      Really?? In 1991 it was OK to do that? What planet was that on?

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                                        Do a poll then.

                                        Some people like him, some don't -

                                        If you do a poll, then you will know what the percentages on COTH that support him and the percentage of those who dont. You could then put it to rest that you are either in the majority or the minorty.
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                                          Here is one for you guys...... Copied from a different post on here.

                                          TWF wrote:

                                          I brought that suit. Federal Court NJ :October 2003 Action Number 00-6258 (AET):
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                                          Originally Posted by Peace
                                          No way...any info online? Did he neglect a horse? Why would he still be our Chef/Coach???

                                          Found today on COTHBB:
                                          Advanced Search POSTS: Morris Neglect
                                          http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...ct#post2872163

                                          My case against George, Hunterdon and Chris has been cited on several threads over the years...some have been "retired". I was under oath on the stand for almost 2 days in Federal Court. It lasted 2 1/2 week but felt like forever. The case was divided into two parts..One to establish Negelct leading to the death of Grande Saber and Second to establish the monetary award.

                                          The first part was enough to kill me. The Jury returned a Unanimous Decision - GUILTY of Neglect. I couldn't bear to go throught the second part of the trial and settled with the insurance company. I am not aware of George being out of pocket for anything during the trial. You would be amazed that I had more liability insurance than Hunterdon Inc, George and Kappler!


                                          The USEF was notified of the case upon the verdict as Chris was nominated Horsemen of the Year 2003. The only news coverage came from the Trenton Star-Ledger although editors of equine journals were informed of the lawsuit which took several years to get to Court. This case created a tense undercurrent among trainers as there were more than a few prominent trainers holding their breaths as they followed the proceedings.


                                          The 2 1/2 week Jury Trial was heard in Federal Court In Trenton,New Jersey presided by the most Senior Judge of the Court...the Honorable Anne E. Thompson presiding. : October 2003 Action Number 00-6258 (AET) :
                                          The Unanimous jury verdict found George Morris, Hunterdon,Inc and Chris Kappler NEGLIGENT in the DEATH of Grande Saber.

                                          As part of the verdict, the Judge directed Morris Hunterdon and Kappler to return Saber's equipment including his halter...that never happened.

                                          Kappler was the 2003 Horseman of the Year.
                                          They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken...

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