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    Originally posted by Linny View Post
    Anyone else think it's funny that folks are coming on here saying "GM is a jerk!! Doesn't he know that name calling is mean?"
    Totally! Dude.

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      Originally posted by rileyt View Post
      ???
      You mean where you point out that I misspelled asinine? What do you want me to say?
      Um, no.
      The fact that you seem to think it is OK to call everyone else names time and time again.

      Some how it is wrong for GM to use a word like dumbbell but it is OK for you to tell MB she is asinine.

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        Originally posted by Jumphigh83 View Post
        So help me understand what seems to be duplicitous thinking. So defenders, what if a school teacher had used this technique in the classroom?
        Not applicable unless you are talking Phd level scientific programs working with compounds that can be dangerous if mishandled or a head surgeon working with interns trying to keep them from cutting their own fingers off.

        Or how about a flight instructor after the student keeps making the same mistake?

        Because, with a group looking to level 8+ fences with International time allowed standards? Repeated mistakes will get you killed.
        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

        The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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          Originally posted by rileyt View Post
          Of course I've lost my temper and said things I don't mean. To err is human. Although I think I swore off "name calling" somewhere in my mid 20s. But part of the reason I outgrew it is because I really actually felt badly when I did it. On the contrary, when someone like GM repeatedly and unabashedly continues to behave in such a way, I don't think it is deserving of quite so much understanding. There is a difference between an occasional slip up on a bad day, and someone who clearly thinks the rules of common civility don't apply to him because of his lofty position. I find the latter reprehensible.
          HAve you met him? Worked with him? I have and I have not found this to be the case at all!

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            Hey, I don't mind if anyone thinks my ass-is-a-nine.
            You jump in the saddle,
            Hold onto the bridle!
            Jump in the line!
            ...Belefonte

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              Originally posted by ktm2007 View Post
              There is probably a more diplomatic way of saying, "You are not listening. When you are ready to listen, come back. Otherwise stop wasting my time".
              I think the 73 year old's shorthand version of that is: Don't be a dumbbell.

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                Originally posted by findeight View Post
                Not applicable unless you are talking Phd level scientific programs working with compounds that can be dangerous if mishandled or a head surgeon working with interns trying to keep them from cutting their own fingers off.

                Or how about a flight instructor after the student keeps making the same mistake?

                Because, with a group looking to level 8+ fences with International time allowed standards? Repeated mistakes will get you killed.
                FABULOUS analogy.
                "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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                  Originally posted by Doctracy View Post
                  It's just that he seems to make a living of saying the wrong thing.
                  And how long ago was everyone upset because he killed a horse with a metal pole, then continued on with the clinic?
                  Again, I don't see him "making a living of saying the wrong thing" people ask for his help, and some people don't like to hear the honest truth. If you don't like him, don't ride with him or watch his clinics. Simple as that. And as far as the horse that died, I believe it was a lesson during Florida with one of his own students. Not a clinic that just carried on after the fact.

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                    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                    Um, no.
                    The fact that you seem to think it is OK to call everyone else names time and time again.

                    Some how it is wrong for GM to use a word like dumbbell but it is OK for you to tell MB she is asinine.


                    Read it again. Carefully. I didn't tell MB SHE was asinine. I said she made a statement that was asinine. There is a difference. At least in my mind. And I stand by my statement because I think MB was being obtuse.

                    And see above as to why I think there is a difference between me calling GM a "jerk" and him calling a student in one of his lessons a "dumbell". I'll call it the public figure exception...

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                      rileyt you ride beautifully. you are super talented. you will go to the olympics. i love you rileyt.

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                        somebody needs to grow some balls!

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                          Originally posted by Coreene View Post
                          Hells bells, it's a riding lesson, not Up With People. If everyone needs a trophy and a kissy, go play AYSO soccer instead.

                          Haha! Exactly! This is a SPORT, after all! He's an elite athletic coach, not a
                          kindergarten teacher.

                          I can pretty much guarantee you that the European show jumping coaches aren't handing out hugs, kisses, and "certificates of achievement" (just for showing up in the outfit) to the top level riders that they are attempting to train for competition....especially when those riders are being dumb and not paying attention to the instruction!

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                            Originally posted by Jumphigh83 View Post
                            So help me understand what seems to be duplicitous thinking. So defenders, what if a school teacher had used this technique in the classroom? How long before that teacher would be in front of the school board and/or looking for a new job? The "real" world is cruel, why wait? How about a coach? A mentor? A counselor? I'm not sure I understand the need to be cruel to anyone. Truthful, yes. Mean, never. How long before the whole class laughs at you do you continue to raise your hand and perhaps give the "wrong" answer? Just wondering.
                            GREAT POST - we couldn't be further apart politically but this post is right on.... This is not an issue about George Morris, its an issue about education, training, and common courtesy

                            To all who think that we should set high standards, ABSOLUTELY. To all who think we should be tough, CERTAINLY. TO all that think that we should be honest about mistakes and errors, WITHOUT A DOUBT

                            To tell a student at whatever level that "You have made the same mistake four times in a row - that is not acceptable - change it now or be done with the horse for today" is honest - brutually honest - and absolutely fine. To tell a student that they are an idiot, a dumbbell, a baby - that lacks common courtesy, it carries no useful information, and it has no consequence except cruelty - and it is NOT fine.

                            Personal insults do not inform, do not correct, and do not have a consequence directly related to the behavior the teacher is trying to change. Basically - its ineffective, except perhaps in ridding the teacher of frustration.

                            And Jumphigh's comparison to what is appropriate in school is apt --- unless we all believe that people learn different in sports.

                            There is an old story - don't know if its true - about a junior rider a Devon. She had recently changed trainers - both BNT stood at the ring watching. She won. The old BNT turned to the new BNT and said, "How did you get her to ride like that?" The new BNT replied, "I told her she could."

                            Nuff said.

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                              Elite coach ?

                              He is an elitist coach, without professional ethics.
                              Name calling and belittling a person is not a professional action, it is merely the stupid act of an egotistical bully.

                              Originally posted by Elmstead View Post
                              Haha! Exactly! This is a SPORT, after all! He's an elite athletic coach, not a
                              kindergarten teacher.

                              I can pretty much guarantee you that the European show jumping coaches aren't handing out hugs, kisses, and "certificates of achievement" (just for showing up in the outfit) to the top level riders that they are attempting to train for competition....especially when those riders are being dumb and not paying attention to the instruction!
                              www.hartetoharte.org
                              Ask and allow, do not demand and force.

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                                Originally posted by MistyBlue View Post
                                Looks an awful lot to me like you're telling everyone else what he's thinking when he teaches.

                                Apologies for my reading comprehension but I can only comprehend what you type. I cannot read minds.

                                But thank you for the insults.

                                I hate it when Im immature and foolishly read exactly what someone typed.
                                Dontcha? I know, I do too.... <laughing>
                                **********
                                We move pretty fast for some rabid garden snails.
                                -PaulaEdwina

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                                  Originally posted by justathought View Post
                                  There is an old story - don't know if its true - about a junior rider a Devon. She had recently changed trainers - both BNT stood at the ring watching. She won. The old BNT turned to the new BNT and said, "How did you get her to ride like that?" The new BNT replied, "I told her she could."

                                  Nuff said.
                                  So true!

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                                    Originally posted by rileyt View Post

                                    And see above as to why I think there is a difference between me calling GM a "jerk" and him calling a student in one of his lessons a "dumbell".

                                    Quite a difference. Because she paid for his opinion and he had been coaching her for some time and you have never met, ridden with or audited an upper level clinic with the man.
                                    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                      Originally posted by Petstorejunkie View Post
                                      I can understand his frustration, these girls are picked as the best in the country, yet have HUGE holes in their training. That doesn't excuse the comment... I'm sure he wanted to say worse.
                                      Ditto.

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                                        IMHO the tears were because the rider couldn't do something right and wanted to be the super star of the the lesson....

                                        Originally posted by Sunnyhorse View Post
                                        I don't doubt that this is true in many cases, but I think it's unfair to tar everyone with the same brush. (I'm talking in general terms now, not about the people in the Horsemastership clinic.) Who's to say that those tears don't represent the rider's disappointment and frustration with herself because she's trying but still not getting it right? We are not all naturally talented riders, and Lord knows I've had plenty of those lessons myself. I make sure to let my trainer know that it's my issue and not her I'm reacting to -- and then I get back to work.
                                        Appears my comment has come across vauge.... I did try to be clear by saying "in a particular lesson"..... Didn't intend on taring everyone that cries with the same brush

                                        I also know hormones can create emotions as well...

                                        Saying that, I have been riding for over 35 years and never remember crying except for the time I got kicked in the foot by another horse "while" on my horse at a show.

                                        And I have had lessons from trainers that have made others cry.... one trainer I remember was "really" nasty and I only took a few lessons with him.

                                        I have a lesson on Sunday - I hope karma doens't come bite me in the butt and I will ride off in tears. I need to pray my horses don't dump me and since I am of an older bone density, break something - eeekkkk......
                                        Put your energy on what you want to grow!

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                                          I cried once at a GM clinic but it HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH GM!!! It was day 3. My 4 y.o. was fairly wild on day 2 because of no turn out for 2 days. At the end of day two the farm owner very kindly let me turn him out for a couple hours in a big field and said I could come back and lunge him the next morning even if it rained, I could lunge him in the outdoor.

                                          I got up very early, and by this point was quite tired after the 3 days of lousy hotel non-sleeping, it had rained and rained and there had been a miscommunication with the farm management. I was told I couldn't lunge the yung'n. I burst into tears on the spot. Most embarrassing, but I'd paid all this money to do the 3 days and my horse was being naughty.

                                          The very kind farm owner took pity on me and let me lunge for a minute anyway. Turned out the horse was actually tired and didn't want to play.

                                          I've been told all sorts of things by GM from "perfect!" "excellent" "that's how you do it, watch her, she's thinking!"

                                          to

                                          "you're a typical wishy washy female incapable of making a decision!"

                                          It really doesn't bother me, it's pretty funny really. If all you get from him is insults, you've missed all there is to learn from him, which is too bad. You just have to learn to turn on your GM filter.
                                          Stoneybrook Farm Afton TN

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