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  • Pony Jumpers? I need experience!

    I'm training a pony jumper and need to start getting to serious under saddle work. She was a rescue so it's been a long time before we could actually get to the real under saddle work. She is pretty consistant walk trot, but is pretty spooky so does a lot of small and quick dodgy movements and sometimes just stops dead if i get the smallest bit unbalanced.

    Also, she gets mad when I ask for the canter sometimes, any thoughts?

    I need gymnastics, exercises, techniques, patterns, and any type of advice you can give me for training a pony jumper, and for later riding the jumper circuit since i show mainly hunters and equitation. I would love to talk to anyone who has ridden on the jumper circuit or has trained jumpers before!!

    That would be such a huge help! Thanks so much!
    Every horse is ART
    And every rider is an ARTIST

  • #2
    Forget about jumpers. The pony doesn't even jump under saddle yet. It will be at least a year before you graduate to anything jumper related. Concentrate on building the pony's confidence with simple trot poles and cross-rails, and little gymnastics. Then work on hunter courses, and confidence at shows. Once you can combine confidence with 'at a show' and then its time to think about developing more advanced skills that will be useful in the jumper ring.

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    • #3
      Sounds to me like you need a trainer.
      "Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
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        #4
        Originally posted by joiedevie99 View Post
        Forget about jumpers. The pony doesn't even jump under saddle yet. It will be at least a year before you graduate to anything jumper related. Concentrate on building the pony's confidence with simple trot poles and cross-rails, and little gymnastics. Then work on hunter courses, and confidence at shows. Once you can combine confidence with 'at a show' and then its time to think about developing more advanced skills that will be useful in the jumper ring.
        Well, we've done most of that. She's done trot poles, and we go to countless shows. She's been to about 5 in the past few months (not entered just schooling). And I only say pony jumper because that's what we're training for. She has jumped under saddle, up to two feet, but she's only 5 and we just need to start getting into more jumping and patterns and things. I think you do have a point though with the hunter courses, I've only ever trained hunters and I'm not entirely sure how to train a jumper.
        Every horse is ART
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        • #5
          You should read the thread about green hunters vs. jumpers. There are few very thorough explanations about why hunters and jumpers are not trained differently.

          http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=286840
          "Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
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            #6
            Originally posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
            You should read the thread about green hunters vs. jumpers. There are few very thorough explanations about why hunters and jumpers are not trained differently.

            http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=286840
            That was really helpful! I never really thought about just doing the same exact type of training, then just incorporating tight turns and tricky lines. I always thought the training was different. Thanks so much! (:
            Every horse is ART
            And every rider is an ARTIST

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              #7
              Also, another thing i would love to get an answer to, do you know what the ideal weight should be to ride a 14.1/14.2 pony jumper? I'm 130 and I can easily drop weight if need be. My mother says I should be fine, but I'm afraid my weight might be too much for her, especially when we start getting to higher jumping and tighter turns farther down the line...

              But what do you think the ideal weight should be for a large pony jumper?? (i don't think i'm too tall though, only 5.4)

              Oh and she's sort of a meduim build, quarter horse, welsh, and a bit of thoroughbred. Thick neck, big hindquarters, with quarter horse legs and welsh type head and body, lots of muscle.
              Every horse is ART
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              • #8
                As others have said, there is not difference between the early training of a hunter and a jumper. Do you have a trainer?

                And just to put this out there: Why do you think this pony will be a jumper? Are you planning on reselling it? Because realistically, a mediocre hunter pony is still probably easier to sell than a good jumper pony.
                Originally posted by tidy rabbit
                Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ExJumper View Post
                  As others have said, there is not difference between the early training of a hunter and a jumper. Do you have a trainer?

                  And just to put this out there: Why do you think this pony will be a jumper? Are you planning on reselling it? Because realistically, a mediocre hunter pony is still probably easier to sell than a good jumper pony.
                  No, I rescued her, she's my baby girl (: But the reason that I'm not going to show her as a hunter is because she paddles when she trots. She has beautiful movements and she has impeccable form over jumps, but i can't fix the paddling. And she's so agile and light on her feet she would make a great pony jumper, plus she's cleared 5 feet so she has the potential.
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                  • #10
                    Think you need to master the canter and get rid of the spooky stuff by concentrating on teaching her to accept the aids on the flat first. ALL the time, not just when everything is perfect and she wants to.

                    Sorry but it is a setup for failure when you add jumps or even just ground poles when the horse is not confirmed on the flat, they just magnify everything the horse does not know. Could also find yourself in a mess you cannot control of she gets upset or scared in some gymnastic she is not ready for and the basics for control are just not there yet. You get her scared or defensive? That can cause problems that never go away.

                    When training a Greenie it is VERY important you not let them fail, set it up for success (and thanks to Melanie Smith Taylor for that one)...NEVER ask for something you are not positive will go well.

                    Soooo....concentrate on fixing the flat problems. Take 90 days or so and really hit it. Then go back to the ground poles and do not try any gymnastics or complicated stuff until she is confident and consistent.

                    BTW, most shows do not offer Pony Jumpers, you need to do the Low Childrens Adult at about .75 to .8m and there will be combinations you HAVE to have the basics to regulate.

                    Dressage lessons on a shoolie might help you enormously in developing a Green horse to show calibre.
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                    • #11
                      If paddling is the reason you think she should be a jumper instead of a hunter, take her directly to the hunter ring. Plenty of really nice hunters paddle -- it is barely penalized. Of course it would be better if she didn't, but it is far from a career-ending flaw if she moves and jumps well.

                      I agree with the others, do the Pony Hunters and do some Pony Jumpers for fun if you want -- but she will be much, much more valuable as a Pony Hunter than a PJ even with some paddling.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
                        If paddling is the reason you think she should be a jumper instead of a hunter, take her directly to the hunter ring. Plenty of really nice hunters paddle -- it is barely penalized. Of course it would be better if she didn't, but it is far from a career-ending flaw if she moves and jumps well.

                        I agree with the others, do the Pony Hunters and do some Pony Jumpers for fun if you want -- but she will be much, much more valuable as a Pony Hunter than a PJ even with some paddling.
                        Yup. Paddling is often very hard to see from the judge's position anyway. And remember, there are multiple jumping classes and 1 flat class -- so if she's a good jumper, you'll do fine.

                        A lot of jumpers start out in the hunters anyway. And as others said, you're going to want the pony just as broke, obedient, and adjustable as a hunter before you even BEGIN to add "jumpery" things.
                        Originally posted by tidy rabbit
                        Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
                          If paddling is the reason you think she should be a jumper instead of a hunter, take her directly to the hunter ring. Plenty of really nice hunters paddle -- it is barely penalized. Of course it would be better if she didn't, but it is far from a career-ending flaw if she moves and jumps well.

                          I agree with the others, do the Pony Hunters and do some Pony Jumpers for fun if you want -- but she will be much, much more valuable as a Pony Hunter than a PJ even with some paddling.
                          Pony Jumpers are impossible sales... strange considering that you can get to devon and pony finals etc, besides the point. I have a fantastic pony thats competed from pony jumpers to low juniors that I can't give away. Pony hunters are definitely the way to go. A little paddling never really affected ponies until the bigger divisions as far as I know.

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                          • #14
                            But it is easy to qualify for anything in a division that is rarely offered, very small when it does fill and has only 20-30 Ponies showing any points at all in USEF records competing year round, nationwide. And PF does not require they qualify to show there in the Pony Jumpers.

                            Not hard to understand at all, it is just almost never offered and doesn't fill when it is. Probably because kids who are talented enough to negotiate the courses want to join their peers in the horse rings, not stay in Pigtail and Jod rings.
                            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by findeight View Post
                              And PF does not require they qualify to show there in the Pony Jumpers.
                              Really? They used to only take the top 4 from each zone. I haven't followed any pony jumper results lately but I guess it has fallen by the way side. We used to have a pony jumper who was quite good. We were offered a decent amount (mid 5 figures) for her. She was definitely worth way more as a pony jumper than a pony hunter. But I do agree, if your pony can make it as a hunter then you should at least try that out to begin with.

                              Our pony was as far away from being a hunter as you could possibly imagine, so we put her in a couple hunter classes to introduce her to showing but switched pretty quickly over to jumpers.

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                              • #16
                                Unfortunately, PJs are not even offered in every zone.

                                Things change.
                                When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                  #17
                                  I've never seen a horse paddle in the hunter ring, that's why I thought it would kill her potential as a hunter. She has a very low head set and a very pretty jump. I think I might have a video... But I would love to know about the weight thing!

                                  Would it be worth it to compete in the jumpers if I have the potential to manuever the tough courses? I'm only 15 so I have quite a bit of time to make it to Pony Finals. It's harder to make it in the hunter ring correct? One thing I think is cool is that she sounds like she has the potential to do fairly well in either class which I am absolutely thrilled about!

                                  But can I have someones opinion on the ideal weight of a pony jumper rider?? refer back to my other post for more info on my pony but I weigh 130, too much?? should i drop alot of weight?
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                                  And every rider is an ARTIST

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                                  • #18
                                    It 100% matters on how you carry your weight and what you look like on her. Post a picture of you on her if you want an opinion. Off hand I'd say you probably look fine. You're the size of many pony jocks I've seen.

                                    Your phrasing sounds odd, though... I doubt any of us will tell you that you have to "drop alot of weight."
                                    Originally posted by tidy rabbit
                                    Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by ExJumper View Post
                                      It 100% matters on how you carry your weight and what you look like on her. Post a picture of you on her if you want an opinion. Off hand I'd say you probably look fine. You're the size of many pony jocks I've seen.

                                      Your phrasing sounds odd, though... I doubt any of us will tell you that you have to "drop alot of weight."
                                      yeah that did come out sounding weird..but i can try and slim up if i need to. I wasnt sure if 130 is too much. i'll see if i can find a picture.
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                                        #20
                                        I have a cute little photo album of her on photobucket, sorry I don't have any good pictures of me riding her. I never get any good pictures. I know some are a bit awkward and yes, she does get ridden in just a halter alot. She's very sensitive and responds perfectly in just a rope halter.

                                        http://s669.photobucket.com/albums/v...ny_2009/kiara/
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