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  • #21
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madeline:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zoef:
    Oh you are so not alone. I still get dragged around the ring on my big mare in a double twisted copper wire gag. I need to find something stronger I think (either that or grow about a foot so I can get some more leverage on her). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Somehow I don't think that either the bit or the leverage is the answer to this problem.

    madeline<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I assure you madeline, that zoef's trainer knows what he is doing

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    • #22
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Medievalist:
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madeline:
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zoef:
      Oh you are so not alone. I still get dragged around the ring on my big mare in a double twisted copper wire gag. I need to find something stronger I think (either that or grow about a foot so I can get some more leverage on her). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Somehow I don't think that either the bit or the leverage is the answer to this problem.

      madeline<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      I assure you madeline, that zoef's trainer knows what he is doing

      <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      You've got to be kidding....Don't know zoef, don't know the trainer. But if I was a trainer with a rider getting "dragged around the ring" in a double twisted wire gag, I would look to training issues rather than more hardware. And if I couldn't come up with a training plan to improve the situation, I would look for a real, competent trainer who would. Sorry.

      madeline
      madeline
      * What you release is what you teach * Don't be distracted by unwanted behavior* Whoever waits the longest is the teacher. Van Hargis

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      • #23
        Really I appreciate the advice, but I don't think I need it.

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        • #24
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zoef:
          Really I appreciate the advice, but I don't think I need it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          Hey. I'm not the one who posted in a public forum that I was being dragged around the ring in a double twisted wire gag.

          I figure that it must be a serious problem to confess that to hundreds of folk.

          madeline
          madeline
          * What you release is what you teach * Don't be distracted by unwanted behavior* Whoever waits the longest is the teacher. Van Hargis

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          • #25
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jump for Joy!:
            did you here about the Mikmar bit? there is a thread in here on that, and you can go to the website http://www.mikmarbit.com
            <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            I ride my very strong, very enthusiastic WB in a polo pelham with a port if he's baaad and when he's good in a medium shank Mikmar.

            BTW - the Mikmar bit itself isn't harsh or for "strong" horses, but the rope noseband and gag combine to improve the Whoa! effects. But on strong days, my horse will run right past even the long shank Mikmar.

            Great bit tho.

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            • #26
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madeline:
              You've got to be kidding....Don't know zoef, don't know the trainer. But if I was a trainer with a rider getting "dragged around the ring" in a double twisted wire gag, I would look to training issues rather than more hardware. And if I couldn't come up with a training plan to improve the situation, I would look for a real, competent trainer who would. Sorry.

              madeline<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              I never kid. I may jest occassionally, but this isn't one of those times
              ---WHX---

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              • #27
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madeline:
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Medievalist:
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madeline:
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zoef:
                Oh you are so not alone. I still get dragged around the ring on my big mare in a double twisted copper wire gag. I need to find something stronger I think (either that or grow about a foot so I can get some more leverage on her). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                Somehow I don't think that either the bit or the leverage is the answer to this problem.

                madeline<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                I assure you madeline, that zoef's trainer knows what he is doing

                <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                You've got to be kidding....Don't know zoef, don't know the trainer. But if I was a trainer with a rider getting "dragged around the ring" in a double twisted wire gag, I would look to training issues rather than more hardware. And if I couldn't come up with a training plan to improve the situation, I would look for a real, competent trainer who would. Sorry.

                madeline<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                BRAVO MADELINE!

                When, oh WHEN will people understand that hardware is no substitute for training?!?!?!? If this rider is getting dragged around with that much metal in her horse's mouth, there's one of three scenarios going on here (and possibly a combination of any of the three).

                1) That zoef's horse is not properly educated for her level of riding and some remedial training is in order.

                2) That zoef is not properly educated for the level of her horse, and some remedial lessons are in order.

                3) Zoef's horse is too much horse for her, and should be replaced with something more appropriate to her talents and requirements.

                I completely agree with madeline, if the trainer is allowing this situation to continue and is unable to correct any or all of the preceeding, then it's time to find a new trainer, or a new horse.
                In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                A life lived by example, done too soon.
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                • #28
                  Oh I absolutely agree. Zoefs trainer is worthless.

                  Zoef- I think that you should leave and find a trainer more suitable of coaching a jumper rider.
                  Teneriffe Enterprises- NW Indiana
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                  • #29
                    Has anyone ever noticed that "pretentious" and "contentious" have only the first three letters that differ? Coincidence? I think not

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                    • #30
                      Perhaps Zoef's definition of being dragged around the course is very different as someone elses, and the horse is not as naughty as it sounds on this BB

                      JMHO of course.

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                      • #31
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Calla:
                        Usually heavy horses have heavy handed riders. But, if you can't make both of you softer...

                        I'm not sure about jumpers, but heavier hunters go great in a Myler bracelet. You don't have to worry about really hurting your horse because it is not a harsh bit but it does help with responsefulness. They also have a D ring so it won't be conspicuous in the hunter ring.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Is there a picture of this bit online anywhere? My horse is in a waterford right now, but sometimes I just have NO brakes. Doesn't help that he's very big and I'm very little.

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                        • #32
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RumoursFollow:
                          Oh I absolutely agree. Zoefs trainer is worthless.

                          Zoef- I think that you should leave and find a trainer more suitable of coaching a jumper rider. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          Now just how, pray, did you extract that opinion from the post above? I'm curious....................
                          In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                          A life lived by example, done too soon.
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                          • #33
                            In your post above, you said the following:

                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I completely agree with madeline, if the trainer is allowing this situation to continue and is unable to correct any or all of the preceeding, then it's time to find a new trainer, or a new horse. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            I can see why someone would think you were saying the trainer didn't know what he/she was doing.

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                            • #34
                              Lighten up, ESG. Its a joke. There used to be lots of those on this board.
                              Teneriffe Enterprises- NW Indiana
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                              • #35
                                Must throw in a chuckle here.
                                Unfortunately some folks do not realize who Zoef trains with, and well....its kind of funny seeing all of these posts!!!

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                                • #36
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by b328:
                                  In your post above, you said the following:

                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I completely agree with madeline, if the trainer is allowing this situation to continue and is unable to correct any or all of the preceeding, then it's time to find a new trainer, or a new horse. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  I can see why someone would think you were saying the trainer didn't know what he/she was doing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  You didn't read the whole post, then, or misinterpreted the last sentence. I said "if the trainer is unable to correct these problems", not that she should run right out and find a new trainer. I think we all agree that a rider getting her arms pulled out and being dragged around by a horse wearing a double-twisted (UGH!) wire isn't a good scenario, and I don't think you have to be a trainer to see that.

                                  That make things clearer?
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                                  A life lived by example, done too soon.
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                                  • #37
                                    Hush up now Rumours!
                                    There will be no fun on this board!!!

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                                    • #38
                                      Yes I am glad to help provide amusement. I think Zoef would get quite a chuckle knowing that he was in need of remedial lessons

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                                      • #39
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starboard:
                                        Must throw in a chuckle here.
                                        Unfortunately some folks do not realize who Zoef trains with, and well....its kind of funny seeing all of these posts!!!
                                        <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        As I mentioned earlier, I don't know who zoef trains with, but whoever it is, if Zoef and her horse are performing as they are, either this trainer is not doing his/her job, Zoef isn't listening, or the trainer is all "Big Name" and no "Trainer."

                                        Go ahead. Prove me wrong.

                                        madeline
                                        madeline
                                        * What you release is what you teach * Don't be distracted by unwanted behavior* Whoever waits the longest is the teacher. Van Hargis

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                                        • #40
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starboard:
                                          Must throw in a chuckle here.
                                          Unfortunately some folks do not realize who Zoef trains with, and well....its kind of funny seeing all of these posts!!!
                                          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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