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Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but would this saddle be okay

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  • Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but would this saddle be okay

    I am currently a dressage rider with two horses who prefer jumping. I'm really considering taking the plunge and taking jumping lessons and start doing hunter shows.

    Granted, I would probably stick to the C circuit, but both horses are A circuit quality, or so I've been told.

    I have heard over and over again that saddle does not play a part in the A circuit judging, but want to make sure before I purchase a used version of this in Carmel.

    http://www.albionsaddlemakers.co.uk/...ol-deep-1.html

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    It's a little deep, but if you are comfortable in it then go for it. You're right that no one is going to judge you on your saddle, but if you are going to make the leap permanently, I might consider a more "traditional" saddle.

    New ventures are always exciting! Best of luck!
    Rosall
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      #3
      Thanks....As someone who is just considering this option....is there any reason not to use a deep seat saddle on a hunter course.

      This saddle is one of my horse's former saddles (previous owner still has it for sale) and she did lower jumpers with him.

      She told me that it probably would not be ok to use this saddle if I ever did A circuit hunters....the thing I like about it, is that I know it fits the horse and it is the right price for me. And although I need to ride in it again, I remember really liking it when I rode in it years ago.

      But youre right, it's not like I would be doing anything seriously anytime soon.

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      • #4
        If you are comfortable with your ability to get off their backs and not interfere with them while they are jumping in a deeper seat, then that would be a great option for you. I for one like to ride in a very flat seat, but that is also what I am used to. If you are comfortable, and your horses are comfortable forget everyone else! Pretty is as pretty does
        You're much better off having something you can ride your best in than looking the part and being less stabilized.
        Rosall
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        • #5
          Originally posted by gotrocks View Post
          It's a little deep, but if you are comfortable in it then go for it. You're right that no one is going to judge you on your saddle, but if you are going to make the leap permanently, I might consider a more "traditional" saddle.

          New ventures are always exciting! Best of luck!

          "Traditional" can be in the eye of the beholder though. This is a pic of the same type of saddle I've had for 18 or so years, and it's seat has never been a liability at the A's I've been to:

          http://heritagesaddlery.com/proddeta...0000020&cat=11
          "And now . . .off to violin-land, where all is sweetness and delicacy and harmony and there are no red-headed clients to vex us with their conundrums."

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          • #6
            I would just check that the saddle still fits the horse well (don't assume you can use it on both horses even if the same dressage saddles works for both) & that you like it - try to arrange an actual jump lesson for a saddle trial so the coach can assess the saddle fit for you.
            If the horse has switched from mostly H/J to dressage, his topline & muscling may've changed enough that the saddle no longer fits - I couldn't tell from the link if it has foam or wool panels?

            From UK forums, watch out for warping in albion trees (over time) - I don't recall if this is a specific tree or in general - so have a saddle fitter out unless you know your saddle anatomy. It's much cheaper to pay a saddle fitter than to treat your horse's sore back

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Fluffie View Post
              "Traditional" can be in the eye of the beholder though. This is a pic of the same type of saddle I've had for 18 or so years, and it's seat has never been a liability at the A's I've been to:

              http://heritagesaddlery.com/proddeta...0000020&cat=11
              The striking difference in those two saddles though is the size of the panels. The size of the panels in the Albion saddle is twice what they are in the Crosby. I agree "traditional" takes many forms, but at most "C" shows, "traditional" is a flatter seat. I am referring to "C" shows in the VA area. I am all for her riding in what she likes and not caring about "traditional", just making an observation.
              Rosall
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              • #8
                As a dressage rider you are probably going to be more comfortable in a deeper seat. As long as you can get out of the saddle easily for the horse's jumping effort it shoulkd be fine.
                One thing in the hunters is that riders generally don't sit in the tack. They tend to stay off the horses' backs. It might be harder to do in a deep seated saddle.
                If you have access to a few jumping saddles (maybe the trainer you hope to lesson with has some available) it might be worth it to try a couple for both your sake and that of the horses.
                F O.B
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                  Originally posted by Linny View Post
                  As a dressage rider you are probably going to be more comfortable in a deeper seat. As long as you can get out of the saddle easily for the horse's jumping effort it shoulkd be fine.
                  One thing in the hunters is that riders generally don't sit in the tack. They tend to stay off the horses' backs. It might be harder to do in a deep seated saddle.
                  If you have access to a few jumping saddles (maybe the trainer you hope to lesson with has some available) it might be worth it to try a couple for both your sake and that of the horses.
                  Yep, I've sat in two so far...wasn't crazy about the Bates or the Dover Elite that I tried.

                  Went to the tack shop the other day and looked through their close contact saddles, nothing in the correct seat size with a wide tree.

                  Here's an old picture of him jumping with his previous owner. She's a little more gutsy than I am. He has been my rehab horse and actually I'll need to get the vet's okay before I'm willing to jump him over anything. He pulled a suspensory a year and a half ago and I'll want that reultra sounded before I jump at all. He's totally sound now doing flat work. At the moment I have him barefoot for rehab purposes with his feet. Been a year project bringing him back, but we're making strides.

                  http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/d...-dellyjump.jpg
                  As to the poster who commented on saddles fitting more than one horse, I actually don't ride my other horse.....I have a professional bringing her along.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dalpal View Post
                    Thanks....As someone who is just considering this option....is there any reason not to use a deep seat saddle on a hunter course.
                    ....
                    She told me that it probably would not be ok to use this saddle if I ever did A circuit hunters....the thing I like about it, is that I know it fits the horse and it is the right price for me. And although I need to ride in it again, I remember really liking it when I rode in it years ago.
                    Others have answered your question about why hunter riders tend not to choose deep seats. I know someone will disagree with me here, but the booty isn't traditionally the same kind of aid it is in Dressage World.

                    But your friend is dead wrong about the Dress Code in the hunter ring. There isn't one unless you want there to be. If you find deeper, slightly more coarse or old-fashioned looking saddle whose balance is right for you in the two-point and over fences, and if your horse likes it, it's the right saddle for you.

                    meupatdoes here seems to be a fan of/knowledgeable about Albions like the Kontrol. That's the poster whose opinion about balance and fit that I'd seek. Albion is not as well-represented in Hunter World as it is elsewhere.
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                      Originally posted by mvp View Post
                      Others have answered your question about why hunter riders tend not to choose deep seats. I know someone will disagree with me here, but the booty isn't traditionally the same kind of aid it is in Dressage World.

                      But your friend is dead wrong about the Dress Code in the hunter ring. There isn't one unless you want there to be. If you find deeper, slightly more coarse or old-fashioned looking saddle whose balance is right for you in the two-point and over fences, and if your horse likes it, it's the right saddle for you.

                      meupatdoes here seems to be a fan of/knowledgeable about Albions like the Kontrol. That's the poster whose opinion about balance and fit that I'd seek. Albion is not as well-represented in Hunter World as it is elsewhere.

                      Thanks MVP...I'll shoot her a PM.

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                        #12
                        Here's my mare....sorry, bored and hanging by the computer. Don't have any pics of her jumping, but took this one the other day when she heard a feed bag rattle in the feed room.

                        http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/d...divahunter.jpg

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                        • #13
                          Your ponies are lovely!

                          That saddle will certainly be fine for starting out and you can see how you feel riding in it. If you find yourself fighting the tack or if you can't get out of it, it's the wrong saddle. If you are comfortable and functional, I certainly wouldn't consider than an offensive saddle nor one that you "can't show in" - heck, I also ride in something with much thicker panels than many, because they fit my horse and doesn't bother his back. It should be in my profile picture, it's not terribly obvious.

                          It's a bit more coarse than my butet was, perhaps. But my horse makes a happy face when he goes in it.

                          Also, I'd stay away from the Dover Circuit saddles. All the ones I've seen seem to have really plasticky leather.
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