• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse
1 of 2 < >

Update to Forum Rules: Criminal Allegations

In our continuing effort to provide an avenue for individuals to voice their opinions and experiences, we have recently reviewed and updated our forum policies. Generally, we have allowed users to share their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, trainers, etc. within the industry, and that is not changing.

When it came to overt criminal allegations, however, those discussions have in the past needed to stem from a report by a reputable news source or action by law enforcement or the legal system.

We are now expanding our policies to allow posters to share their own first-hand experiences involving overt criminal allegations, such as animal abuse or neglect, theft, etc., but only if they publicly provide their full first and last name along with the post. We still will not allow anonymous postings alleging criminal activity.

So, a user may now make a specific claim against a named individual or company, but it must be a FIRST-HAND account, and they have to IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. Users have always been legally responsible for their posts, and nothing has changed there, but we want to loosen the reins a bit and further allow the free flow of discussion and information relevant to the horse community.

We are not providing a free-for-all of anonymous rumor-mongering. As enduring advocates for the welfare of the horse, we want to provide a forum for those willing to sign their name and shine a light on issues of concern to them in the industry.

The full revised rules are posted at the top of each forum for reference.
2 of 2 < >

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the Forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes may be better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts, though are not legally obligated to do so, regardless of content.

Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting. Moderators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts unless they have been alerted and have determined that a post, thread or user has violated the Forums’ policies. Moderators do not regularly independently monitor the Forums for such violations.

Profanity, outright vulgarity, blatant personal insults or otherwise inappropriate statements will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Users may provide their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, individuals, etc.; however, accounts involving allegations of criminal behavior against named individuals or companies MUST be first-hand accounts and may NOT be made anonymously.

If a situation has been reported upon by a reputable news source or addressed by law enforcement or the legal system it is open for discussion, but if an individual wants to make their own claims of criminal behavior against a named party in the course of that discussion, they too must identify themselves by first and last name and the account must be first-person.

Criminal allegations that do not satisfy these requirements, when brought to our attention, may be removed pending satisfaction of these criteria, and we reserve the right to err on the side of caution when making these determinations.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

Can You Make a Living in the Horse Business?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Can You Make a Living in the Horse Business?

    what would be the most likely way to make a living in the horse business? training them, giving lessons,riding high level horses, buying and selling, owning a stable, or something else ? You tell me whats your opinion ?

  • #2
    Originally posted by Creaghgal
    Probably knowing enough naturally without have to ask how.

    You are off to a rough start. Get out while you still can!!

    Ok, that's pretty funny

    Anyway, OP, please define "make a living."

    If you mean keep a roof over your head and not starve to death, then yes. You can "make a living."

    If you mean save for retirement, have good/any health insurance, pay a mortgage, support children, vacation in the Bahamas, etc, well then you're going to have a hard time riding/training/selling/showing unless you are possessed of superlative charm skills, superior luck, and willingness to go where the money is.... (Ie, even if you want to Event, you may make better $ with Arabian Halter horses or Western Pleasure.)

    It would be nice if you were competent at riding/training/showing, etc. But superlative charm coupled with a willingness to 'schmooze' (or sleep with) the check book holders is very important.
    "Friend" me !

    http://www.facebook.com/isabeau.solace

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by Isabeau Z Solace View Post
      It would be nice if you were competent at riding/training/showing, etc. But superlative charm coupled with a willingness to 'schmooze' (or sleep with) the check book holders is very important.
      Yep.

      The most successful (winning/great facility/wonderful farriers/etc.) horse professionals I've known weren't the most *financially* successful horse professionals I've known.

      The most financially successful horse professionals I've known are the ones who are willing to put up a video of a lame horse they probably got for $2k, with a price tag of $20k, and they'll probably actually get it due to their schmoozing ability.
      If Kim Kardashian wants to set up a gofundme to purchase the Wu Tang album from Martin Shkreli, guess what people you DON'T HAVE TO DONATE.
      -meupatdoes

      Comment


      • #4
        Selling horses (lots of them) is truely the only way to actually make a good living! Other than that you will have no life, not much money, and be working 24/7 for the rest of your life with no retirement funds or health insurance like others said.

        Comment


        • #5
          I make a decent living, have decent savings and I have a wonderful lifestyle. House almost paid off. 2 kids through college, 1 daughter married. Not a lot of debt. Extravagant? No.

          The secret? A spouse with a good job, great benefits and a pension. Together, we make enough to have a really great lifestyle.

          I think the secret to the horse business is to find a balance- I have training clients, a few school horses, a few sale horses. I work hard to keep a good reputation. I screen new clients and hope that they screen me as well. I don't want to be everyone's trainer. I don't want to be the biggest game in town. I want to work for like-minded, nice people. I want to charge a fair rate and give a good value in return.
          http://patchworkfarmga.com

          Comment


          • #6
            The best way to make a small fortune in the horse business?
            Start with a large one.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
              The best way to make a small fortune in the horse business?
              Start with a large one.
              Isn't that the truth!! Best comment I have ever read!!!!!

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Isabeau Z Solace View Post
                Ok, that's pretty funny

                It would be nice if you were competent at riding/training/showing, etc. But superlative charm coupled with a willingness to 'schmooze' (or sleep with) the check book holders is very important.

                Anyone else think to themselves "Hey I know that person!"?

                Comment


                • #9
                  Having your own trailering company lets you have freedom and $$.

                  And I know this is totally gross, but I know a gal (and her husband) who has a business 'disposing with dignity' the corpses of large dead animals. She has been able to afford a HUGE house in Los Angeles, 15 acers out in Ventura county (with horses), 2 super nice reining horses for she and her husband and lots of $$$ to retire on.

                  Something to think about...

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Make money in the horse business? Spend a lot first...get a good show record and/or nice group of horses and make great contacts with the wealthy. A lot of success in the horse business is getting and maintaining good contacts.

                    Otherwise...spend your money for an education and then get a good job and stay an amateur...

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Of course you can go read the "trainer cheating clients out of money thread"! Sorry couldn't resist.

                      I'm with the others on this. Possible but you will spend a serious amount and may only be getting that back some time into the venture.

                      Terri
                      COTH, keeping popcorn growers in business for years.

                      "I need your grace to remind me to find my own." Snow Patrol-Chasing Cars. This line reminds me why I have horses.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jsalem View Post
                        The secret? A spouse with a good job, great benefits and a pension. Together, we make enough to have a really great lifestyle.
                        That's cheating...
                        "Friend" me !

                        http://www.facebook.com/isabeau.solace

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
                          The best way to make a small fortune in the horse business?
                          Start with a large one.
                          That is actually a quote from....oh...was it CV Whitney or a Firestone or a Dupont???? Some robber baron money.

                          Believe the question was "You must have made a small fortune with your race stable this year". The bazillionair answered "Yes I did but I started with a large one".

                          Anyway, IIRC spoken in the mid 20th century after winning a big race or triple crown or something.

                          Far as this question-it's easier if you own the property and are located in a region with alot of disposable income within an hours drive of the upscale residential areas. Then you have to target what these people will spend the disposable income on and present that product to them.

                          Then you got a shot. Otherwise you are at the mercy of landlords and encroaching subdivisions or you simply miss the mark because you cannot attract a client regardless of talent.
                          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                          The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I think the best bet is to look at different jobs still in the industry, but not necessarily the obvious training/teaching/selling/boarding jobs...

                            Becoming a course designer or judge or USEF steward or FEI steward or owning a business, other than a barn, that caters to the industry, like selling jumps or supplements or show clothes can be financially rewarding. Or selling horse trailers. Or being a rep for someone like Purina or Nutrena. Or repairing leathergoods.

                            The equine industry is a HUGE business and I think the people who do the best look at it from all angles and find a spot within the business that both peaks their interest and where there is a need.
                            ILOVERMONT

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jsalem View Post
                              I make a decent living, have decent savings and I have a wonderful lifestyle. House almost paid off. 2 kids through college, 1 daughter married. Not a lot of debt. Extravagant? No.

                              The secret? A spouse with a good job, great benefits and a pension. Together, we make enough to have a really great lifestyle.

                              I think the secret to the horse business is to find a balance- I have training clients, a few school horses, a few sale horses. I work hard to keep a good reputation. I screen new clients and hope that they screen me as well. I don't want to be everyone's trainer. I don't want to be the biggest game in town. I want to work for like-minded, nice people. I want to charge a fair rate and give a good value in return.
                              Your balance isn't exactly the same, but something about this post made me think of my trainer. She doesn't always charge for things I think she should, and is definitely honest. She's not a schmoozer, so isn't the kind of big name she could be if that were her goal - but she has the greatest group of clients I have ever met in a mostly adult barn.

                              I had a trainer growing up (in breed shows) who was amazing - his clients are always winning national championships, nearly every state title in whatever their breed, etc., and he doesn't charge for almost anything he does. Took us all over the state looking at horses for sale and didn't charge a commission or for his time. Braids and grooms horses, makes show clothes for his kids, etc. He lives on the property of one of his clients and has his training horses there and at another barn nearby where he doesn't have to pay. Only charges for lessons. Certainly not a way to make a great living, but he gets by and absolutely loves his life. His clients also know how to use their seat and legs to move a horse, get it to lift its back, etc., and are able to transition to other disciplines if they want (I've done h/j and am now doing dressage with a tiny bit of jumping thrown in) or he has others who are now pros in breed showing as adults. He essentially has a client who is a benefactor of sorts with the setup he has going. Helps get around the lack of schmoozing for money factor. (He totally schmoozes, just doesn't charge for it!)

                              Anyway, yes I think it's possible to make a living in horses. Just not always a *great* living. It's definitely easier when you live somewhere that has horses interspersed throughout the area - Tucson has a population over 1million, and horse property scattered throughout the area. I don't know of anywhere not within 10 minutes of a lesson program.
                              If Kim Kardashian wants to set up a gofundme to purchase the Wu Tang album from Martin Shkreli, guess what people you DON'T HAVE TO DONATE.
                              -meupatdoes

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Great eye for a horse, great riding talent, great client schmoozing skills.

                                If you don't have two of the three, go into the equestrian support businesses where you can draw a salary and benefits.

                                Examples:
                                There is right now a paralegal job open in an equestrian real estate practice law firm in West Palm Beach for someone who knows horses. $ 50 K a year w/benefits.

                                There are many Universities looking for riding coaches with a Masters or PhD in equestrian studies to run the equestrian programs. Good salary and benefits.
                                Comprehensive Equestrian Site Planning and Facility Design
                                www.lynnlongplanninganddesign.com

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  The only way I can see making a living in the horse business is by going to work for a larger professional and getting salary and benefits (health insurance and housing). Otherwise....forget about it.

                                  ETA: Just read Knicker's post. That is very true. If you find something other than actual hands-on with the horses, you can definitely make a living. But if your passion is to actually ride and be with the horses and take care of them....it's a very hard road to wander down.

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by lcw579 View Post
                                    Anyone else think to themselves "Hey I know that person!"?
                                    HM... on more counts than I'd like to admit... I know a couple of those "people"...

                                    WELCOME TO THE HORSE WORLD TO THE OP...

                                    where a lot of people take their clothes off for nice horses and $$, and most people act like they have no idea it's happening!!! We just gracefully turn our backs to it...
                                    Proudly living in my "let's save the world bubble"!

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      After YEARS of searching... and a lot of sweat and tears... I must say I finally found my happy spot in the horse industry.

                                      I'm a national sales rep for a well known apparel company, get to go to most major horses shows, travel all over the country (and a bit of Europe as well- which will be doing a lot more in the next 2 years), meet amazing horse people from all types of different backgrounds... and have quite a bit of time on my hands when I'm not travelling!

                                      Now this isn't for EVERYONE... the travelling is EXTENSIVE at times, but personally: I love it!
                                      You HAVE to be a people person and have strong knowledge of the sport.
                                      For me... this is HEAVEN.
                                      I tried the pro route (but wasn't born in horses and didn't come from $$$ so had to ride unders someone else). I quickly realized that I loved riding but not when I had to compromise my integrity at times to make clients/investors happy...
                                      so I found something else where I made $$$, still gives me plenty of time to ride (2 weeks home, riding 5-6/day, 2 weeks on the road) and I get to be in the horse world all the time!

                                      Good luck!
                                      Proudly living in my "let's save the world bubble"!

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        I'm sure it's possible to make a living in the horse business. But IMO, not probable. Does that affect happiness? I suppose only the individual can be the judge.

                                        I once got into a screaming fight with a college roommate about how she was going to college to become a horse trainer, and I was going to college for a completely different career and had no plans to make horses my life, only my "out of control hobby". Long story short, she said I wasn't a true horse-lover because I wanted to stay an amateur, I vehemently disagreed.

                                        Cut to almost 10 years later. I'm supporting myself & have a non-horse-related job, she's married with a hubby's financial support & training. I can afford 3 horses to compete, and have enough emergency funds to support a 2-week (and counting) intensive hospital stay for one due to a likely fractured femur. She can barely make rent and works off board on her horses, and doesn't have funds for emergencies (I'm assuming because she said she can't afford the unexpected vet bills for her horse and therefore can't treat his condition).

                                        Are we both happy? I sure as heck am! And GLAD I have the job to pay the horse bills! I think she is too, but I know she can't afford the vet bills & care one of her horses needs. I'd much prefer my situation.

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X