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  • VHSA not supporting thier own rules?

    Anyone else catch the cross entering in classes at VHSA finals last weekend? Why have even have the rules?

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    Specifics?

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      same kid in eq and ss. Pony crossed entered....

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      • #4
        Is This [edit] Under Another "Alias"..........?:
        Last edited by Moderator 1; Dec. 9, 2010, 11:20 AM.

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          who?

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          • #6
            Also known as "QH Mom"

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            • #7
              If you had your facts straight you would know that the trainers and rider were told said rider could ride said pony in the Large pony hunters and the Pony Eqs by the VHSA office. Fault of the rider and trainers? I think not. Sorry, most of us don't spend night after night reading the VHSA rule book, especially after confirming with the VHSA show office that indeed the pony would be allowed to do said classes only to be proven wrong by a protest. If you would like to see the apology letter sent by the VHSA office to said trainer, I'm sure they would be more than happy to send you a copy.

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              • #8
                Im confussed? can some try and explain this to me cant the kid do larges and pony eq? but i thought the question was about ss and then doing pony eq?
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                • #9
                  Oh here we go again!!
                  They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken...

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                      Is it time for popcorn or margaritas?
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                      • #12
                        Section 28
                        Sec 1
                        (k) Hunter Short Stirrup. Open to horses and ponies ridden by children 12 years and under, however, shows may specify a lower age limit, i.e., 10 years and under. The division will consist of three (3) classes, two over fence classes and a walk, trot, canter under saddle class. Short Stirrup riders, ponies and horses may not cross enter into any other VHSA Associate Division with the exception of Pleasure Pony or Pleasure Horse at any show in which they exhibit in the Short Stirrup Division. Short Stirrup riders will be limited to no more than two (2) entries in the Short Stirrup Division at any one horse show. The jump height for this division shall be decided by individual horse shows, but should be no lower than 18" and no higher than 2" with a minimum of four (4) jumps. The Short Stirrup division cannot be combined with any other VHSA Associate High Score Award Division. At the year-end Championship show Short Stirrup riders may only cross enter into the Pleasure Horse or Pleasure Pony Division. At the year-end Championship show Short Stirrup ponies and horses may only cross enter into the Pleasure Horse, Pleasure Pony and any non-point division, i.e., Special Hunters. At the VHSA Associate Championship Horse Show the Short Stirrup Division will be split nine (9) years and under and ten to twelve (10-12) years old (show age). At the VHSA Associate Championship show the jump height will be approximately 18" and may include changes of direction
                        They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by danceronice View Post
                          Is it time for popcorn or margaritas?
                          I've got a big ole margarita, but I don't think that "adult/amature" has spell check!!
                          They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken...

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                          • #14
                            So I think I see which pony/rider the OP is referring to - I could conceivably see this happening on a small or medium pony as the height is only a few inches difference, but what rider that is competent to jump around the 2'9" large pony eq is still hanging out in the 18" short stirrup division? That's ridiculous, and I don't have a dog in this fight.

                            ETA, I could see how the OP would be upset. I had this happen in culpeper with a well-known junior rider who was reserve champ in junior hunters and then took a 5th o/f and won the flat in the large children's pony hunters the same day. Not allowed, but happened anyway. I didn't file a protest because there was no way to know if it would have changed the outcome for my rider, but it was still frustrating to watch. Had I been the rider/pony who placed second behind that junior, you bet I would have protested.
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                            • #15
                              I can tell you I see ALOT of people keeping their kids back...heck there's been a pre-short stirrup rider all year who is 10 if she's a day, and should easily be not just showing in short stirrup, but winning. So needless to say, she wins every single Walk/Trot class she enters.

                              I don't get it. Conceivably I could keep my daughter in pre-short for another year, she's only just turning 8, but I want her to progress so she'll be showing beginner eq in a month. I don't understand the mentality of keeping the kids showing at a level clearly under their skills. Yes I know it means they will win alot, but hello, that is not the point.

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                              • #16
                                Did someone contact VHSA to see about points being removed for one of the divisions?

                                One gripe I have is when they changed SS to a hunter instead of an eq division. Then it became a violation to show the same pony in both SS and PH, which I get. But if SS was an eq division, which it SHOULD be, then one of my kids could show in pony hunter and let a SS rider use it for SS which is the way it used to work. That isn't the point of this discussion though, because it IS the rule as it stands now.

                                So, if it had just been the pony, maybe it wouldn't be so awful. But for the RIDER to show in both divisions? That is more than just a little rule bending...that is outright cheating and completely disgusting for a trainer and parent to allow this. Any kid that can jump a 2'9" eq course at Lexington has no business jumping around the baby fences with the little kids.

                                If I'd had a kid in either division you'd better bet I'd have protested.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Mayaty02 View Post
                                  I can tell you I see ALOT of people keeping their kids back...heck there's been a pre-short stirrup rider all year who is 10 if she's a day, and should easily be not just showing in short stirrup, but winning. So needless to say, she wins every single Walk/Trot class she enters.

                                  I don't get it. Conceivably I could keep my daughter in pre-short for another year, she's only just turning 8, but I want her to progress so she'll be showing beginner eq in a month. I don't understand the mentality of keeping the kids showing at a level clearly under their skills. Yes I know it means they will win alot, but hello, that is not the point.
                                  Our daughter just finished pony hunter on a small and we had considered letting her jump straight to one of our larges but go back to short stirrup because there is no way she'd get him around 2'6". But, we've decided to put her on a medium and trainer said no way let her drop back to ss, even though she is still eligible and pony is green. She'd be bored silly. I was relieved that someone else said it so I'd quit considering it.

                                  We don't see it happen that often at the shows we go to...but occassionally you do see the 13yo's out there jumping around ss that could easily be doing PH/CH and just are looking to beat out the little kids for points. Just the way it goes.

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                                  • #18
                                    What can I say, but gee thanks for putting my name here! Sadly, I am not the poster here...others with Alias have been here too! But thanks all the same!
                                    My question is did you have the same entry form as everyone else, the one that stated the rules? If so why did you call VHSA to get permission, something not given to others, to cross enter? The rules have been the same for years... There were other people who would have loved the same permission... As for an apolog letter? I would love to see that! Funny thing is that I DID NOT even have apony showing there! So it didnt even affect me!

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                                    • #19
                                      vhsa is a joke and they never enforce any of their rules. They totally wasted their time, their ink and their money on paper even drafting the rule book. I'm so ready for a total VHSA overhaul. Get rid of the directors that have been on the board for millions of years and start over.

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                                      • #20
                                        Why does it even matter who the kid was or who the protesting poster is? Rules are rules and if they are broken, it is worth discussion.

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