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Another OTTB confo critique...UPDATE: Home!

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  • Another OTTB confo critique...UPDATE: Home!

    I kind of like this young man!


    Any thoughts? Same asking price as the mare I looked at (see other thread). A lot bigger, but will need some letdown time.

    Last edited by Big_Tag; Dec. 13, 2010, 09:00 PM.

  • #2
    me too. you have to sort of imagine him without the wasp waist and shorter toes to get a good look.

    I think his hip will look much bigger after let down time and some added lbs.

    I like his long neck. I'm really tall and always go for the horses with long necks.
    Though, for the hunters, you'll always have to fight with the fact that because he's TB and has that long neck, he'll never have a loaded top line like many of the warmbloods you will compete against. The TBs that end up looking warmbloody, I think, have a shorter back and lil shorter neck. Hence adding to the look of thickness.

    He looks like a nice quiet character as well.
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    • #3
      He looks like he's standing a hill.

      Overall I like him. How young is he? If he's on flat ground and is just butt-high, is he young enough he's likely to grow?
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      • #4
        Better. Much better. Think he is not wasp waisted, just tightened up since he is race fit.

        But, beware, that croup is pretty much a goose rump and will limit step and jump.

        Nonetheless, attractive, well balanced and all the parts look like they belong to the same horse. Looks like he has a nice topline and that usually indicates decent gaits. Nice in the neck and throatlatch which usually means decent balance.

        Can't tell much about the legs and feet. Undoubtedly they are not perfect but he is standing with equal weight on all 4 and I can't see anything glaring.

        I know let down is a pain but at least you know where he has been.

        If you do go look, take a neutral third party with you. When you are buying off the track, cheap, they won't hold for a full PPE and you cannot go too far to look? Another pair of eyes is vital. Preferably with experience pulling them off the track.

        Oh....butt high??? I don't see it at all on this one. Think there is a slight slope to the ground lifting the back end but if you look at those 1x8s that appear to be horizontal and run up above his belly-he is built uphill.
        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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        • Original Poster

          Thanks for the comments thus far. He's 5. Seems real quiet. He also seems rather well-bred to me. Described as "kid-safe" to handle and easy to ride. He *may* not be on track anymore so I might get a chance to sit on him as well.

          He is right up where my first OTTB was, in Ohio, and I had one of Dr. Genovese's partners vet him. I think I will go the same route here.

          He last raced in Mid-October..has 26 starts from late 08 to now.
          To be honest, probably for the best that he needs some let-down time. With the winter and the fact that it's dark when I get out of work at 5 now, and I prefer to board him at a less espensive facility while I put the flat work on him, it's probably a good time to let him chill out over the winter.


          • #6
            Sound like a good plan, Can you share the breeding? Makes little difference in a career changer but it's fun. Race record says he stayed sound enough, no gaps.

            He looks to have some quality to him...that is always a better place to start then plain, common looking and small because those things cannot be changed. You start with nice looking, you are ahead of the game. Overall, he is nice looking. With food and regular work, he may be stunning.
            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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            • Original Poster

              But of course


              That race record is incorrect; I looked it up and he has 26 starts and 1 win. I don't know a lot about TB bloodlines (however I'm like an Aspberger's candidate when it comes to STB pedigrees ) but I see some names there I know and have heard favorable things about for sport horse pedigrees.

              Yeah he just looks pleasing, I agree. He looks like one you want to sit on, whereas the mare didn't look like much and her merit was her good mind. maybe this guy has both. Plus, big and gelding= if I need to move him, I can much easier, assuming he isn't a wacko or a cripple

              ETA: Findeight, i know you can't ride a pretty face, but still, doesnt hurt!!


              • #8
                Nothing terribly fasionable up close and pretty much all outcrosses. That's good.

                There are some well known names there, at least one known for iffy dispositions. But they are too far back to mean much...as in been dead for years. I would not give that any thought with the outcrosses.

                Seems pretty much a blank slate.

                Here's hoping he is sane and serviceably sound and not that whack job cripple most of us have gotten stuck with at some point over the years.

                Good luck, keep us posted.
                When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                • #9
                  My OTTB mare has a long neck and over time it has filled out very nicely and made a nice shape. With good flatwork you can get some beef to that long neck. Most people think she is a WB or a WB cross (though next to the holsteiner mares at my barn, she looks like a TB).

                  This is a good shot of her neck OF

                  Your horse is a good looking horse. They change a lot once they get fed and ridden differently.


                  • #10
                    I like him. I like a horse with a longer neck and his whole body seems balanced. He seems to have good bone and depth to his body. After he's let down, and puts on some weight and muscle I think he'll be quite handsome. And at least in that shot he exudes calm.

                    If Randall's vets him and he looks good to them, that's worth a lot. Dr. Ron is one of my favorite vets. I watched him do several PPEs on OTTBs. That's a practice that really knows how to evaluate them in the context of their next career.

                    Certainly I'd go look at him in person.
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                    • #11
                      I like him very much. In fact, he closely resembles my big chestnut OTTB. One thing to consider with the high withers/low back is saddle fit- this is a challenge, especially as they grow and develop a topline. be prepared for the saddle fit to change dramatically over a year or two.


                      • Original Poster

                        Well, I'm going to see him this weekend so I will keep everyone posted

                        One other question though; he really does seem to want to stand under himself. See here: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v3...t=Gelding2.jpg

                        Any thoughts on this? I can think of two horses off the top of my head who stand like that--one's an old grand Prix horse who did the Puissance back in the 90s and the other is our one STB mare who was a phenomenal racehorse. However, since it seems to be a bit of a conformational "flaw," what do you all think??

                        That being said, I am excited to meet him. He sounds like a really nice guy, but I guess we'll see!


                        • #13
                          Urrrgh...site is blocked. I'm at work.

                          Anyway...I'd go look on something like that. Some things you need to see them move to really tell if there is an issue or not. And that is something that really does not bother some of them at all...may well be something you can easily live with-if it is there at all. Unless it's really bad, I never disqualify from a picture. Especially in the lower price range where you know you are going to have to give somewhere.
                          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                          • #14
                            Mr Prospector & Buckpasser are a super combo, in my opinion.

                            I've had 3 with this blood line.

                            This one.


                            This one.

                            This one... I like the bloodline so much this last one I breed myself. He's looking like he'll be a super jumper one day.

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                            • #15
                              I am not a big fan of it when the elbow is so much lower than the stifle. I just think it is bad conformation and it can really make lead changes a b*tch.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Big_Tag View Post
                                One other question though; he really does seem to want to stand under himself. See here: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v3...t=Gelding2.jpg
                                Ahhh, yes... this could be a soreness issue... or just a bad photo. I'd watch him stand in the barn aisle for a few minutes.

                                See if he wants to stand straight or if he puts one foot out further than the other routinely; or if he stands under himself like that.

                                I also like to peek in at them in their stall when they are resting, this will give you good idea too.

                                Since this horse is a 2005 model, I'd say what you see is what you get as far as bone structure and growth.
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                                • Original Poster


                                  I'll check it out. He's raced as recently as a month ago and he had been racing all along so I'd like to think he isn't horribly lame but I will definitely check it out. Plus if I like him enough to merit it, he'll of course be vetted out.

                                  He definitely is higher at the stifle than the elbow but it's particularly pronounced, I think, because he's racing fit.

                                  I think I will order a couple of his races through equibase just for fun, see what he ran like.

                                  TR: Yours are awesome looking. Let's hope this guy has some of that


                                  • #18
                                    If you look closely at the picture they've got him standing on a incline facing downhill. He has to stand underhimself They just have photographed him at an uncomplimentary angle.He's really nice. !!!


                                    • Original Poster

                                      Went to see him!

                                      So, I went to see him today. I like him. He's a character. He's actually a bit pushy on the ground (i.e., flings his head around a good bit) but obedient. I got on him indoors where their hotwalker is and he was pretty "up" but content to walk, albeit a bouncy little walk. When he faced the door to outside he all of a sudden made a little sideways canter beeline for it but I was easily able to turn him back to the inside and the seller shut the door after that. He trotted around nicely, but again, pretty squirrely. They offered to let me take him outside in the open but given how up he felt I wasn't too keen on it. He definitely has brakes, was very easy to slow down/stop. So I hop off and ask if I can see him at liberty in their roundpen (it was a bit muddy to ride in there) so we untack him and take him in there and he runs around a good bit, for probably about 3 minutes of as much speed as he can accomplish in there. And then the seller laughs and says "oh geez he's pretty excited! I guess since he hasn't been out in three days!"

                                      Well, thanks for the heads up, team. No wonder he was a little squirrely! So all in all I thought he was rather well mannered. Apparently his trainer's 8yo son rides him around the roundpen with a halter and lead. He's also supposedly very well behaved on the track; goes from the bath stall to the shedrow with just a halter and will actually just follow w/o any guidance. He's cute. I like him. I would have liked to have ridden him when he wasn't so excited but the fact that he was actually quite mannerly given the situation impressed me after I found out that he'd stood for 3 days. He's very nice to sit on.
                                      So, I think I will vet him. He has really clean legs. I knew this from looking at his race lines but he is a closer and the seller said that's often the case with closers; they don't exert themselves till the end of the race and are generally not as tough on themselves.

                                      One question though: I rode him in a "ring bit." Anyone know how tough a bit this is? The seller said she thought he'd probably go in a pelham till he got more riding time on him but I personally like to start in a snaffle of sorts; however, I'm not familiar with a ring bit so if I was riding him around in a ton of bit I'd like to know. Like I said, brakes were totally fine, but just so I'd have a baseline.

                                      I snapped a photo of him today too; when I switch computers and can upload it I will. He's put on a bit of weight since his last photos.
                                      Whew, that was long, sorry! Thanks for listening; any input is appreciated!

                                      ETA: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v3...t=IMG_0380.jpg (please excuse his muddiness/saddle mark; I just wanted to post a picture of him with a bit more weight and a different stance)
                                      Last edited by Big_Tag; Nov. 21, 2010, 08:05 PM.


                                      • #20
                                        I have no direct interface with Petionville's offspring, but he ranks in my top 5 good looking horses of all time...
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