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Has a Trainer ever gotten you hurt or put you in a risky situation?

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  • Has a Trainer ever gotten you hurt or put you in a risky situation?

    Has a trainer ever gotten you (or your horse) hurt/injured? Put you in a bad or risky situation? Something such as setting the combination striding wrong and you crashed and got injured. Or putting you on a horse they knew had bucking/rearing problems and not telling you and you ended up getting hurt. Or telling you not to lunge your horse when you really knew against your better instincts that he needed lunging. Or setting the jump height way above your horse's jumping ability and telling you to jump it anyways? I am just curious.

    I have definetly been put in a bad situation before where I ended up getting injured riding a horse I knew nothing about. I trusted the trainer but went against my better instincts. Trainer set up a rather high jump that I did not feel the horse was capable of jumping but I didn't say a word and the horse ended up crashing, resulting in me getting injured.

    Sometimes at shows I see people riding in lower level jumper classes that appear to be way in over their heads or an accident waiting to happen. I cringe as I watch them flat out gallop and chip in to every single jump or combination with loose legs and barely hanging on for life. I sometimes wonder if these trainers ever take into consideration a horse/riders ability before allowing them to compete in a level they obviously don't belong or if they take the well being of the individual into consideration. Just food for thought.

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    I trust my trainer with my life. After 3 years, I've never been put in a situation that I felt my horse couldn't handle.

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    • #3
      My trainer has never put me in a bad situation. I do that to myself without help when I get too over analytical instead of just shutting up and riding.

      FWIW - I have, however, been the rider you described. It was a day when I just rode like dookey. Unfortunately, it hapened at a show.
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      • #4
        I find that a good trainer knows when to push and when not to. I have had trainers that if they told me to go jump something I trusted that they thought I could do it and they would not ask me to do anything they didn't think I or my horse could do. I have also ridden with trainers that I did not trust, and usually tried to use my better judgment unfortunately that was when I was a kid and did not always speak up, I was lucky that my mom knew some things about horses and often spoke up when she thought things were unsafe (I eventually did not ride with this trainer anymore). Some of my friends were not always so lucky, and I witnessed a few falls that easily could have been prevented, some which did result in injuries.

        I will never understand how a trainer can take such chances at times. Don't get me wrong I have crashed and have been lucky not to get hurt as that is just a chance we take when riding. Some of these trainers don't even see that it is dangerous at times, and are honestly not out to get anyone hurt, sometimes just uneducated, but there are some out there that are pushing the dangerous activities and I don't know how they do it.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hunter Mom View Post
          My trainer has never put me in a bad situation. I do that to myself without help when I get too over analytical instead of just shutting up and riding.
          I have had three trainers; one in my past hunter days and two in my current dressage days. My hunter trainer in particular was incredibly concerned about the safety of his adult ammys, and was great at matching horses and riders.
          In an odd situation, I committed to free leasing a horse I loved for a year; he thought it was the wrong horse because it was green and had a funky BIG jump every now and then. He was peeved w/ me to say the least; but it was funny, the horse never did it to me; he did however do it to said trainer a couple times!
          And yes I've been known to overanalyze as well.........It actually makes me better suited for dressage.
          We don't get less brave; we get a bigger sense of self-preservation........

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          • #6
            I have always had trainers that I trusted completely.

            I have complete faith that if I listen to and do what they say, everything will turn out ok.

            So far it always has, and none of my trainers have ever abused that trust or even so much as acted in a way to weaken it.
            Ever.
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            • #7
              Yep, I've been put in bad situations by trainers and have gotten hurt at times as a result. The worst was when I was 14 and was put on a horse that had a known rearing issue at the mounting block. That time resulted in permanent metal rod the entire length of my femur.

              As I've gotten older, I've developed the cajones to speak up when I feel something is not a good idea. That said, I do very much trust my current trainer and she has not led me astray yet. However, I make the final call on things that could, you know, impact whether I live or die during a ride.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hunter Mom View Post
                My trainer has never put me in a bad situation. I do that to myself without help when I get too over analytical instead of just shutting up and riding.
                Same here.

                If I did not trust my trainer 100%, I would not be riding with her. I have come off and been injured twice in the 26 months I've been with her, but neither of those falls was even remotely attributable to the trainer. I am so thankful that someone recommended her to me when I started riding again after a very long break.
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                • #9
                  No, my current trainer is all about safety for the horses and safety/confidence for the riders. I do feel that she will often push me outside of my comfort zone, but that is something I need the trainer to do otherwise I would probably still just be bopping along doing ground poles!

                  However, I have been at barns where I feel like safety wasn't the number one priority and that some of the school horses should not have been school horses. Like the one I used to ride that hated tractors and cows yet we were surrounded by uh, tractors and cows That horse spooked and reared on me a couple times, which was more than enough to get me to leave.

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                  • #10
                    I am a trainer and have been teaching for over 35 years. In that time I have had three really "serious" injuries. I don't consider any of them "my fault" as they were all on the students own horses that had not had any issues previosuly. All three resulted in broken bones, one was a broken leg, one was a broekn shoulder and one was a broken wrist. The leg occurred at a show when a novice rider PANICEd and inspite of me going in the ring and actually getting the horse stopped, she lost her balance and scared the hrose who began to run. She took a bad fall into the post of the fence. The shoulder was at home in a lesson as was the wrist. The shoulder was simply a situation where the rider put the horse to a fence on an off stride. The mare landed and put in a little buck and the rider fell off, again into the rail of the fence. The wrist was, again, a little buck on the other side of an xirail, rider came off and landed with her arm out. Falls are my greatest fear and I take EVERY precaution to avoid them. If I think the situation is getting dangerous, out of control I will basically just stop and either get on the horse myself or save it for another day. ALl of these instances came out of the blue on horses the riders were very used to. Unfortunately, accidents can and do happen in this sport, and I think any rider who falls should be careful at whom they point the finger to. Non of these riders "blamed" me. Now I have seen instances where the rider was VERY POORLY mounted and is those cases it COULD be the trianers fault. However, at the same time I have seen horses that were purchased that were TOTALLY inaapropriate and in spite of the trainer trying to get the horse sold etc, the rider continues to ride said horse.
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                    • #11
                      I think just once, and it was a minor injury. We were doing a gymnastic, and the striding between the last two elements was off. I asked to have it changed when the fence was raised, but trainer said no, the striding is off because you're too forward. I ended up landing on my head on the other side of the fence.
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                      • #12
                        Over 40+ years, one trainer and one clinician put me into trouble and got me terrified by being overfaced and seriously hurt.

                        You absolutely need to know when this happens and either just say no or not use that instructor.

                        I regret I did not do so.

                        One clinician destroyed confidence for me for years to the point it interferred with my abilty to go forward to a jump. I was simply overfaced on an old horse that could not do it...yet harangued to continue to try-until I had a bad fall off a really forward distance in a tiny indoor to a coop 3 strides away from the wall...horse, bless his honest old heart...went over despite being well short of the required distance, caught the top ridge and landed in a heap sending me off hard. Man, that really, really scared me-and it hurt. Bad. At age 50. Didn't do the old horse any good either, got him hurt a little and scared alot. He started stopping.

                        The other time, with a new in barn assistant trainer, horse just back off a layoff and recently body clipped on a cold, November night. I said no, horse was over it and she said just one more. Yeah, landed me in the ER with the most painful injury-a cracked shoulder-I ever had and cost me 8 weeks off work.

                        Easy for them to say "oh, you can do it" or "just once more and you can quit".

                        Harder to say no but of I had????? Would have beat what I went through.

                        Please, just say NO.
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                        • #13
                          I have had 2 serious injuries.... the first was caused by an ill tempered handler with a baby...and the second was all me for the blame.

                          As a trainer, I never asked my students to face something that I know I would have trouble with and I was always sensitive to thier fears. NO ONE is going to learn from being scared into it and a good trainer can "talk" you through it.

                          The most dangerous accidents happen when people are placed into a situation they can't handle. If you feel unsafe, not ready or just plain don't want to do it....then that's ok.... another day, another time, another way....

                          Can't tell you the number of times I have stood on the side of a ring at a show, coaching another trainers kid from the rail because the trainer is flipping out as much as the horse and the kid in the ring.....

                          I know as a kid...I heard my coach....it was if she was the only person in the world...and when things were going wrong....I listened for her voice to get me through it.

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                          • #14
                            My trainer has never put me in a bad situation. I do that to myself without help when I get too over analytical instead of just shutting up and riding.

                            This is me as well. Every fall I have had has been my fault - including the one after the group spook in a lesson where we jumped out of the ring! Yes, it was my fault - could not/would not get my head out of my a____ enough to think. Rode the jump and then bailed.

                            As someone else said - I trust my trainer with my life and have confidence in her that she knows when to push me and when not to.
                            And nothing bad happened!

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                            • #15
                              Well, it depends. Yes. I would say, but I don't have a problem with that. When I was a working student at two different places I used to be the person who climbs on the new horses, as I was young, willing and bounced well and trainers either didn't ride or had a bad back.

                              I don't think either put me in unreasonable risk and I never felt rushed onto any horse. But to say there was no risk? Eh, of course there was risk, it's horses. There's always risk.

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                              • #16
                                Putting you out of your comfort zone and helping you rise to the occasion is the mark of a good trainer. Putting you, or your horse, in harm's way is the mark of a bad trainer. In 27 years of riding at my barn, I have never been put in a dangerous situation. I've been challenged a lot, pushed a bit (mostly when I request it) and overall have done more than I ever thought possible, and have had a blast the entire time.
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                                • #17
                                  Being pushed to new levels is one thing -- but one of my students was overfaced at a clinic and fell off. Almost destroyed what little confidence she had been able to build after she had fallen at a show (and the reason she was riding w/me to begin with).

                                  I must say -- I have some mighty hard feelings against that trainer now. I used to repsect her, but no more. I -- me, myself -- can deal w/being pushed, but it is beyond anything I can understand for a person to put a kid in danger. Kid had already landed on horse's neck twice and was visibly shaken and upset. Stupid, stupid, stupid thing that she made this child continue to trot to real jumps when she was OBVIOUSLY only a walk-over X-rail type rider.
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                                  • #18
                                    It's easy to blame the trainer, but in all honesty, you are the one on the horse, and after the fact, to speak up, is too late. Communication is the key to success! Kids need to learn and ask questions. If a distance looks off, ask how many feet it is set apart,or have them walk it for you and see for yourself. You should be able to gauge it by knowing approximately the length of the horses stride you are on, if you don't you should learn. Become a responsible, knowledgeable participant! If you feel overfaced, then you probably are, which does neither you or the horse any good.I know children are taught to respect their elders,trainers,which is all good. But if you communicate it in a way as a quest for knowledge and safety then I can't imagine any good trainer being offended.I am not a trainer, just a knowledgeable horseshow mom, but I have made sure DD knows when to ask questions and talk to her trainer about how to proceed before she begins the task at hand, and if she is really against something to put her foot down and tell trainer that she would like to save it for another day.Bad things happen...and those things you can't take back!!

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                                    • #19
                                      I have had it happen. I trusted said trainer Way too much (I was 12 with nonhorsey parents and I like to see the best in people).

                                      We got jumps put up to 4'3" when neither of us were ready. Thank god nothing bad ever happened with that.

                                      I was the one who was always volunteered to go on the trouble horses, I almost got flipped over on once.

                                      I was loose in the tack but was still the first one to jump a GIANT green TB, I flew off.

                                      She "made" me buy a horse from her that was def. NOT the right horse for me. I ended up breaking a rib at our first horse show when he chucked me into a metal fence. I loved that horse but c'mon! For a scared 12 year old kid, he was NOT right...

                                      She put me in all sorts of interesting situations, I'm sure I could go on and on about it... Luckily, since I've moved, I've had nothing but positive experiences!

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Equsrider View Post
                                        It's easy to blame the trainer, but in all honesty, you are the one on the horse, and after the fact, to speak up, is too late. Communication is the key to success!!!
                                        Yes, I was the one on the horse, but it was my second time IN MY LIFE and my teacher put me on a 2 year old paint gelding. She said it would be fine...it was a kid's horse. I figured that was great because I was 33 so I could hang with this. She didn't mention that the kid was a superstar who'd been riding forever.

                                        Walk, trot, canter was fine. Then he got spooked by something and off he went at a full gallop. I couldn't get him to stop and then went flying into an alumimum fence. Got a concussion, black eye, slit in my eyebrow, broken rib, and a twisted ankle.

                                        Did I mention that I was not wearing a helmet because it was a western barn and the teacher thought I didn't need one because I had the safety of the western saddle?

                                        So in this case specifically, I do hold her directly responsible.

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