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  • h/j riders & safety vests?

    any hunter or jumper riders willing to talk to me about whether they would consider wearing an air vest for an upcoming column? if so, please contact me at
    jodybjaffe@aol.com

    next column appears on the chron website monday: talking to the animals (what my horses have to say about rory's spook and their lives here on finally farm).

    http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/road-recovery
    http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/...rehabilitation

    thanks
    jody jaffe

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    Originally posted by jody jaffe View Post
    any hunter or jumper riders willing to talk to me about whether they would consider wearing an air vest for an upcoming column? if so, please contact me at
    jodybjaffe@aol.com

    next column appears on the chron website monday: talking to the animals (what my horses have to say about rory's spook and their lives here on finally farm).

    http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/road-recovery
    http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/...rehabilitation

    thanks
    jody jaffe
    Hi Jody,

    It is a little hard to tell from your post - but are you interested in talking to both people who will and won't wear a vest? I'd be happy to help with your article, but have to admit that the thought of wearing a vest while riding does not appeal to me at ALL.

    Hope your recovery is going well, either way!

    ETA: Not opposed to vests at all in a general sense; I have a great friend who had a few bad falls and started wearing one years ago. She (understandably) had significant confidence issues and the vest was the "magic" trick that allowed her to get back in the saddle. It also helped a *great deal* in making her family more comfortable with that choice.
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    • #3
      Can't resist

      Are you interested in those who would wear an air vest while reading the column or writing it?

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        Safety vests

        Please note: for eventers a "standard" body protector must be worn with the inflatable vests. A regular body protector goes a long way in limiting injury in falls. The Inflatable vests are still very controversial in Event world and are large and awkward to work with at first pretty much designed for upper level eventing speeds and jump size If the ride is merely worried about rolling off best to get a standard body protector much simpler to wear and does the job just fine for the less risky stuff

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cookiewoo View Post
          Are you interested in those who would wear an air vest while reading the column or writing it?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Cookiewoo View Post
            Are you interested in those who would wear an air vest while reading the column or writing it?
            hooked on my own pitard!! very funny.

            both

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Outyougo View Post
              Please note: for eventers a "standard" body protector must be worn with the inflatable vests. A regular body protector goes a long way in limiting injury in falls. The Inflatable vests are still very controversial in Event world and are large and awkward to work with at first pretty much designed for upper level eventing speeds and jump size If the ride is merely worried about rolling off best to get a standard body protector much simpler to wear and does the job just fine for the less risky stuff
              Agree w/ what you say but many event riders are wearing the air vests when schooling at home as well; and I've an acquaintance who was schooling cross country - amateur rider who is by no means an advanced level rider.. competes at Novice - had a bad crash and is quite grateful she was wearing an air vest- she's pretty certain her injuries would have been more substantial had not been for the air vest..
              that said...the controversy about the vests safety continues in the eventing world... most event riders are only wearing the air vests on the X-country phase, not show jumping phase. However, if they do, it's probably more to do going straight to XC after show jumping round...

              What is crazy is why aren't there more (or any) foxhunters who wear more safety equipment. Every week I hear of another Fox Hunter getting medivac'd out from the hunt field because of some injury... last weekend at an opening hunt a few riders still wore the traditional hunt cap...

              Good luck w/ the article

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                I think we should make a move toward safety vests (perhaps not air vests, but vests of some sort) being standard attire in the H/J ring. I would definitely wear one and have been thinking about purchasing one for a while.

                The main question I have to ask is ... why not? If it prevents one injury over the course of my equestrian career it will be money well spent, and given my history I think it is quite likely that would happen.

                I'm not as keen on the air vests because you have to separate from your horse for them to work, and my worst falls have been when the horse fell on me. Also, there are fewer rotational falls in H/J, injuries tend to be from getting stepped or less often rolled on, which a normal vest would protect from. But if they could figure out a good, non-bulky combination vest I would wear it.

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                  Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
                  I think we should make a move toward safety vests (perhaps not air vests, but vests of some sort) being standard attire in the H/J ring. I would definitely wear one and have been thinking about purchasing one for a while.

                  The main question I have to ask is ... why not? If it prevents one injury over the course of my equestrian career it will be money well spent, and given my history I think it is quite likely that would happen.

                  I'm not as keen on the air vests because you have to separate from your horse for them to work, and my worst falls have been when the horse fell on me. Also, there are fewer rotational falls in H/J, injuries tend to be from getting stepped or less often rolled on, which a normal vest would protect from. But if they could figure out a good, non-bulky combination vest I would wear it.
                  There is nothing to preclude you from wearing a vest in the H/j ring - while not seen, there is no rule against the wearing of a vest in the show ring... there are definitely some that look better than others.. and based on your post you might want to invest in one anyway - just as easy to get seriously injured at home vs. at a show. Funny I'm almost considering getting one to wear at home as well... and am amazed that no foxhunters seem to want to wear them - I've just heard a rash of folks being injured hunting over the past few weeks in my area

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                  • #10
                    In ten or 15 years we will all wear them I'm sure, it's just a matter of time.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
                      I think we should make a move toward safety vests (perhaps not air vests, but vests of some sort) being standard attire in the H/J ring. I would definitely wear one and have been thinking about purchasing one for a while.
                      Originally posted by gottagrey View Post
                      There is nothing to preclude you from wearing a vest in the H/j ring - while not seen, there is no rule against the wearing of a vest in the show ring.
                      Not only is there no rule against it, there is a rule that specifically says you may not be penalized for it. So if you want to wear one, go ahead. There are some people who do show in them all the time.

                      USEF GR801.4

                      4. Any exhibitor may wear protective headgear (ASTM/SEI) and/or a protective safety vest, specifically designed for use in equestrian sport in any division or class without penalty from the judge. The Federation recommends that the vest meet or surpass the current ASTM standard or be certified by the Safety Equipment Institute.

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                      • #12
                        About three years ago now, my husband and I went for a week of intensive lessons at a large riding school in Germany. One of the highlights was watching the evening lessons of the local juniors. There were probably 30 of them in the ring at the same time and they were all capable riders--they were jumping at least 3'6". They ALL wore body protectors--they were standard equipment. The one girl who wound up in the dirt at the base of the first jump was probably grateful for hers!

                        I'm not proud. When I get to the point at home where I'm jumping regularly, I'm planning on wearing one. Don't know if I'll show in it though. But things do change--look at bull riders. Never in a million years did I think I'd see macho cowpokes in flak jackets, neck protectors, and helmets!

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                        • #13
                          I've always worn a safety vest (not air) for the past eight years. Saved me in several jumping falls. But I don't wear it when I show, though I've considered wearing a thinner one under my show coat.

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                            these thoughtful comments are great. plan to use them in my column. thanks so much.
                            jj

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                            • #15
                              I think the air vest is overkill for hunter/jumpers, but I think the tipperary type vest probably is a good idea. They're pretty comfortable unless the temperatures are unbearable, and they look pretty sharp, too. The vests would actually be a more formal look than polo shirts for jumpers, for example.

                              And hey, maybe canary yellow vests would come back in fashion.
                              If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                              • #16
                                Hi Jody -- as you know, I'm not an H/J rider, but wanted to pipe up anyway.

                                I started wearing my vest in competition for SJ (at events) at my husband's request. As noted above, it is always legal. In local events, it's fairly common when we do SJ and then hustle right over to XC these days. But I have also competed in events where SJ is on a different day from XC. There I have to wear my jacket, and I end up wearing my vest over the jacket.
                                Looks dreadful.
                                But not as bad as a cast.

                                The two worst crashes I have had as an eventer (including one which sent me to the ER on a backboard) have been in stadium. I have since started wearing my vest every time I jump, on every horse. At an event I has at recently, a rider's horse literally tripped right before a stadium fence and flipped on her. Luckily she was wearing a vest as XC followed immediately.

                                I do not have an air vest -- I am not certain yet that we have enough data to show that it would not cause harm in some cases (however, contrary to what the previous poster said, they are not intended only for "big fences" and "high rates of speed" and I know several people who have been very happy to be wearing them during stadium falls). Clearly there are falls in which it would help, so if additional data comes in, I'll happily add one to my arsenal.

                                However, the air vests should only be worn over the regular vest, and since hardly any h/jers wear regular vests, shouldn't we start with those?
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                                The little brother, now my main man

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                                • #17
                                  I agree that the air vest seems like it would be too cumbersome for h/j riders. Having said that, I've never tried one out, so I can't say for sure. I'm definitely curious to learn more about them, though.

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                                  • #18
                                    Canadian Grand Prix rider Margie Gayford competes in a vest (http://www.equinecanada.ca/index.php...112&Itemid=413 ). I don't know if there is any sort of story behind why/if she wears them on every horse etc.

                                    When I was coaching, some of the kids' parents preferred that they wear them when the fences started to get a little bit bigger (stadium & cross country), and I was absolutely supportive of that. Occasionally, the kids would say they didn't want to wear them (especially when it got really hot!) and we would discuss the fact that it in addition to be another type of protective equipment for them, it made their parents more comfortable with them participating in a risky sport (esp as the fences got a little bigger). Of course, they wore them every time they went cross country in competition or schooling. I wore mine every time cross country as well. When the kids wore them in jumper classes, they wore them over their jackets. I've never seen anyone successfully camouflage one UNDER the jacket; you can totally tell anyway, so my kids always wore them over their properly fitted jacket, with the vest the same colour as the jacket (navy or black). We never received any comments from other coaches/competitors/judges. Wasn't a big deal at all (though we weren't doing hunters).
                                    Founder of the "I met a COTHer in a foreign country" clique!

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by asterix View Post

                                      However, the air vests should only be worn over the regular vest, and since hardly any h/jers wear regular vests, shouldn't we start with those?
                                      sorry to hear about your crashes, and glad you're wearing the vest in sj. i never understood why eventers, normally more safety conscious than we hunters, didn't wear them in sj. jumping's jumping, even when the fences collapse, you can still have injuries.

                                      as for the air vests, they look less cumbersome to me in pictures. admittedly i've never seen one in person. i've ridden in a regular vest and know how it feels (a little constricting, I must admit -- or i may i had it on wrong, entirely possible). i know a few people who have ordered the air vest and plan to ride in just that one. i'll be riding in one to see how it feels.

                                      also, i've heard talk (and i plan to research further to find out if there's any truth to this) that at some point the air vest will be enough. anyone know anything about that?

                                      coming on monday: my horses have their say.

                                      best
                                      jj

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                                      • #20
                                        Air vests. I wear one every time I ride and I ride h/j. I do not wear it when I show, at least not yet... perhaps the time will come when I feel less silly wearing one off the farm! I kind of tend to overheat easily, and wearing a standard safety vest didn't appeal to me for that reason and also because they tend to be a bit bulky. A friend in the barn loaned me her air jacket (a Point Two) to try out after I had a fall and lost a bunch of confidence, and I really liked it, so I bought my own. I've had one fall in it (stupid fall - ran into deer while out hacking, pony turned into a spinning top!) and I am absolutely certain that it saved my back from a substantial amount of pain, if nothing else. It deployed as advertised and I am very pleased with my purchase.
                                        Last edited by Across Sicily; Nov. 13, 2010, 10:41 PM.

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