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  • Question about horses ridden in the Maclay

    Pardon my ignorance, but I come from the eventing world but I do enjoying following the H/J world.

    I realize the horses ridden in the top shows are very special horses. It seems that some of them seem to be experienced in shows such as the Maclay and have made appearances with other riders. Some of the horses are owned by the riders and many appear not to be.

    When a junior rider ages out of competitions and doesn't own the horse they are riding, how does another rider get lucky enough to get to ride the horse? Do they have to lease the horse or do the owners/trainers find a way to sponsor a promising young rider who's family may not have the means to afford to show at that level?

    Thanks for helping me understand. I imagine it's quite an honor to be able to ride such amazing horses.
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    Most of the horses listed under other owners are leased. A good big EQ horse gets leased for a nice sum. There are other situations that very good riding kids ride sale horses for trainers and their clients and they get supplied with a nice horse for reduced rate as payment, etc. Thisis often true with kids of trainers.
    Alsoevery trainer likes a winner and if they think that their student has a shot at the win they will often work pretty hard toget them a horse that may provide them that opportunity.
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      Thank you!
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      • #4
        With lease fees being 25-30% of the horse's value... then a BigEq lease could go for $60-80k per year if the horse is valued at ~$250k?

        What do most people pay for their BigEq leases? I'm sure that it varies, but am curious what the general range is if anyone knows.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
          With lease fees being 25-30% of the horse's value... then a BigEq lease could go for $60-80k per year if the horse is valued at ~$250k?

          What do most people pay for their BigEq leases? I'm sure that it varies, but am curious what the general range is if anyone knows.
          Well when I was looking for an eq horse, not one that had finals experience, just had done the eqs a few times, a 6 month lease was going to be around $6000. And I was just looking for a horse I could do the Big Eqs on and not necessarily qualify for the finals with. I realistically should have been looking at about $10000 for six months if I wanted something that would bring me further. In the end I ended up buying one for a pretty good price.

          Now for some of the big name eq horses you could be spending around $5000 a weekend and even more when finals roll around. There is a huge amount of variation on the prices some go well into the six figures for a lease. It really depends but a third of the value is a good starting point to guess the lease price.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bazinga View Post
            Now for some of the big name eq horses you could be spending around $5000 a weekend and even more when finals roll around. There is a huge amount of variation on the prices some go well into the six figures for a lease. It really depends but a third of the value is a good starting point to guess the lease price.
            Yes. That's just a base salary, so to speak. I've heard $30k+ just for finals for some of the best horses.

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            • #7
              ^^ well no wonder then that some owners don't want to sell !!! hehe. I wouldn't either if I could lease out a horse for a weekend at that price.

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              • #8
                Question for those in the know...how much would you be talking about for a horse to possibly win the finals? I'm talking about a horse which has won a Regional qualifying class and done well at the finals.

                Maybe in his/her early teens so has the experience but isn't old and doesn't have soundness issues.

                In this economy what do those types of horses cost?

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                • #9
                  ^^ They cost an arm and two legs

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by whatnow View Post
                    Question for those in the know...how much would you be talking about for a horse to possibly win the finals? I'm talking about a horse which has won a Regional qualifying class and done well at the finals.

                    Maybe in his/her early teens so has the experience but isn't old and doesn't have soundness issues.

                    In this economy what do those types of horses cost?
                    To buy, or to lease? To buy, mid-six figures or a little less, most likely. To lease, it depends for how long.

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                    • #11
                      Wondering about to buy. Thinking that their prices might actually be less because so few in this economy can afford a huge chunk of money at one time.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by whatnow View Post
                        Wondering about to buy. Thinking that their prices might actually be less because so few in this economy can afford a huge chunk of money at one time.
                        Nope, the horses priced in the mid six figures still keep selling.
                        Logan sold for around $800,000 a few years back, and many of the equitation specialist horses who have been there done that are between $350,000-$700,000.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by whatnow View Post
                          Wondering about to buy. Thinking that their prices might actually be less because so few in this economy can afford a huge chunk of money at one time.
                          This is comical to me. Do you really think that the type of people that can buy a $500,000 equitation horse in the first place have really needed to cut back? The cream of the crop will always be the cream of the crop. Those prices seem to remain pretty consistent.

                          It's your $25-50k range that likely takes more a beating.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tha Ridge View Post
                            This is comical to me. Do you really think that the type of people that can buy a $500,000 equitation horse in the first place have really needed to cut back? The cream of the crop will always be the cream of the crop. Those prices seem to remain pretty consistent.

                            It's your $25-50k range that likely takes more a beating.
                            +1 except for the "comical" part. I think the person was asking an innocent question....


                            There was an article written back in '09 that spoke to the issue that's being discussed here. In the article, John Madden was quoted as saying that the top horses were still very expensive, but that the "trade" horses, those that are good, but not winners were much more affordable and whose prices had dropped considerably.

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                            • #15
                              Hehehehehehe...I'm chuckling right now as this thread is SO timely. I actually OWN one of these horses. The only reason he wasn't at the Maclay this year is that his rider had a conflict with a very important life event this past weekend.

                              The pair was at the USEF Medal Finals this year, and went around BEAUTIFULLY (according to Andre Dignelli, who was training the rider at Harrisburg). He has carried this young lady, who is a lovely rider, to quite a few wins and excellent placings in various equitation classes and finals since late July.

                              Makes me giggle to get an idea of what this horse is actually worth. I knew he was special, and he proves it over and over every time he sets foot in the ring. And I'm not making ONE DIME off of him.
                              Whoever said money can't buy happiness never owned a horse.

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                              • #16
                                Very cool, IslandGirl. A good equitation horse is really, really fun to watch—particularly the ones like Logan and Sundance who are beyond talented but not so easy that they don't have tricks up their sleeve!

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                                • #17
                                  Sundance was not so good yesterday!

                                  He was ridden by a VERY good rider who can ride the toughest of the tough and stuck his toes in the dirt!

                                  Maybe the rider was not 110% to that distance but he should have gone.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by SportsFan46 View Post
                                    Sundance was not so good yesterday!

                                    He was ridden by a VERY good rider who can ride the toughest of the tough and stuck his toes in the dirt!

                                    Maybe the rider was not 110% to that distance but he should have gone.
                                    I was there and I disagree. I'm not saying Laura isn't a brilliant rider, but she just sort of let him peter out going to that fence. It was a big fence, going away from the in-gate, and Sundance just got a bit behind her leg.

                                    This emphasizes my previous comment: even the best of the best horses still require an incredibly accurate ride.

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                                    • #19
                                      [The pair was at the USEF Medal Finals this year, and went around BEAUTIFULLY (according to Andre Dignelli, who was training the rider at Harrisburg). He has carried this young lady, who is a lovely rider, to quite a few wins and excellent placings in various equitation classes and finals since late July.

                                      Makes me giggle to get an idea of what this horse is actually worth. I knew he was special, and he proves it over and over every time he sets foot in the ring. And I'm not making ONE DIME off of him.[/QUOTE]


                                      It is a point of honor to not make one dime? Not sure I get your point.
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                                      Mid-Atlantic Equitation Festival,Scholarships and College Fair
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by chunky munky View Post
                                        It is a point of honor to not make one dime? Not sure I get your point.
                                        I'm sorry you don't understand.
                                        Last edited by IslandGirl; Nov. 8, 2010, 04:44 PM. Reason: Too snarky
                                        Whoever said money can't buy happiness never owned a horse.

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