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Just can't do the outside stirrup branch to the little toe.

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  • Just can't do the outside stirrup branch to the little toe.

    I started riding in the 70's. (Yes, I'm ancient.) Era of foot to the inside of the stirrup.

    I'm so terribly comfortable there and so hideously uncomfortable when I try to change it to the modern way. Also, when I do foot to the outside branch, the ankle wants to break over to the outside and that is just the creepiest feeling and look.

    I've got a nice leg (really nice, if I do say) so I've decided I'm best off leaving it. (I'm long legged, tend to toe out a bit in the saddle and on the ground.) I'm an older rider who shows only on occasion.

    Anyone?

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    Don't worry, I feel awkward when I ride like that too. =P
    In my opinion a horse is the animal to have. Eleven-hundred pounds of raw muscle, power, grace, and sweat between your legs. Its something you just can't get from a pet hamster.
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    • #3
      If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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        Thanks, Just Jump. Ah, good, I have company.

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        • #5
          Dressage in on the outside, jumping is on the inside. It gives a better base of support.
          I.D.E.A. yoda

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          • #6
            I'm right there with you! We are from the same era.....well seasoned, not ancient! I also learned to ride with the foot to the inside branch of the stirrup (thank heavens we don't need to try and keep the toes turned in any more!). I have tried, to no avail, to ride with my foot to the outside branch, and it is never going to happen! I also feel like my ankle is breaking over, like I have no support, and it just feels downright weird I bought myself some Royal Rider stirrups, with the cheese grater pads, and I have moved on!
            BTW.......my trainer rides the same way, so I never get called out on it Like they say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks!
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              Originally posted by Pony'tude View Post
              II have tried, to no avail, to ride with my foot to the outside branch, and it is never going to happen! I also feel like my ankle is breaking over, like I have no support, and it just feels downright weird I bought myself some Royal Rider stirrups, with the cheese grater pads, and I have moved on!
              BTW.......my trainer rides the same way, so I never get called out on it Like they say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks!
              Yep. Ha, ha, you got it. I think I'd be more successful at learning how to walk upside-down on my hands rather than outside branch.

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              • #8
                Me too!

                I too learned to ride in the "dark ages" and cannot for the life of me get comfortable with my toe touching the outside branch. Figure I have ridden my way for years so why change now!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ideayoda View Post
                  Dressage in on the outside, jumping is on the inside. It gives a better base of support.


                  I don't think so. If you are riding the inside of your stirrup, it's harder to keep your calf on the horse, which follows that you lose your base of support.

                  I think rider conformation does play a part. I'm very long-legged and had just the opposite problem. I would want to ride the outside branch because I thought it was easier to keep my lower leg on a slab-sided horse.

                  I solved my problem by riding in two point a lot...working on keeping my heel down and calf on the horse. It helped. My entire leg is equitation-worthy, now.

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                  • #10
                    Different experience here. I learned to ride in the fifties and had no problem with switching to the outside branch. I find it's easier to keep my foot in the right position, and if I lose a stirrup, so easy to get it back to the right place.
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                    • #11
                      If you are having trouble keeping to the outside branch, pay attention to your hip angle, too. Open up your hip and your toes tend to go out. Close your hip and they tend to go forward. Pay attention to your entire leg, not just where your toes are pointing. It helps to notice where your thigh and knee are on your saddle. When I first learned to ride hunters I was riding a slug. I tended to open my hip angle, thinking (wrongly) that I would have a stronger lower leg.

                      Hey, it works for western!

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                      • #12
                        I can't do it either. I tried to fix it for a while, had no luck. I asked Joe Fargis about it once, since he does the same, and he basically said that's what works for him.

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                          Thanks again all.

                          Thanks Go Fish. Something to think about there.

                          Thanks Chandra - well, if you and Joe do it, I'm in good company. I'm so excited that you answered my post. I think you are an amazing horseman and person!

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                          • #14
                            I learned to ride in the 70's also. I have always ridden with my stirrup angled across my foot so I touched the inside and outside branch. Gives me a lot of stability, good feel with my leg and heels way down.

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                              Is it bad that I can't tell you how I do it?

                              Nor have I ever had anyone tell me as far as I can remember on how to do it. Maybe year years ago.

                              Sorry not a helpful comment at all but I agree if its not broke don't fix it.
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                                Originally posted by Go Fish View Post
                                .... If you are riding the inside of your stirrup, it's harder to keep your calf on the horse, which follows that you lose your base of support.
                                Not true if the rider does two point and keeps the thigh lowered and all the three hinges (hip/knee/heel) flexible. Just by keeping the feathering the calf clings to the horse. If your foot is on the outside of the stirrup (for dressage) it is to hang the entire leg down and keep the foot more parallel. With a shorter stirrup for jumping, the inside works better to sustain the base of support (of course it goes along with automatic release, not c.r.).

                                Certainly the foot has to have the stirrup straight across the ball of the foot in order to allow the feathering into the heel (not diagonally on the iron).
                                I.D.E.A. yoda

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Beethoven View Post
                                  Is it bad that I can't tell you how I do it?

                                  Nor have I ever had anyone tell me as far as I can remember on how to do it. Maybe year years ago.

                                  Sorry not a helpful comment at all but I agree if its not broke don't fix it.
                                  I was so relieved when I read your comment, I was reading the thread and trying to picture myself on a horse and think of how I do it and came up blank. I guess I do all right since no trainer I've ever worked with has corrected me.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by ideayoda View Post
                                    Just by keeping the feathering the calf clings to the horse. (snip)

                                    Certainly the foot has to have the stirrup straight across the ball of the foot in order to allow the feathering into the heel (not diagonally on the iron).
                                    I don't understand what you mean by "feathering", can you explain further please?

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                                    • #19
                                      I need to show my trainer this thread. I don't think she quite believes me we used to be TAUGHT to ride to the inside of the iron...
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by ideayoda View Post
                                        Not true if the rider does two point and keeps the thigh lowered and all the three hinges (hip/knee/heel) flexible. Just by keeping the feathering the calf clings to the horse. If your foot is on the outside of the stirrup (for dressage) it is to hang the entire leg down and keep the foot more parallel. With a shorter stirrup for jumping, the inside works better to sustain the base of support (of course it goes along with automatic release, not c.r.).

                                        Certainly the foot has to have the stirrup straight across the ball of the foot in order to allow the feathering into the heel (not diagonally on the iron).
                                        This would be news to GM and anyone who has ridden with him...
                                        Laurie

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