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  • The Automatic Release

    Why is it very rarely in the show rings? I feel this is a very important release; however, not many people are taught how to do it. Any thoughts?

  • #2
    There's lots of topics on this if you want to search.

    For discussion though, I'd like to compare these two photos. It appears that at a proper rein length for the hunter and eq ring produces a auto release that isn't really correct because then the reins are too long when the bit to elbow line is correct. Hmmm... I don't know, I much like the auto release and my horse does better when schooling with the auto. At shows he doesn't seem so sensitive to my ride (he knows I'm just there to screw him up )

    Don't judge to heavily these two photos are from my first ever eq round and first ever hunter round (first for the horse too).

    3'6" hunter round. Crest release.
    http://pets.webshots.com/photo/27172...06566483wHplKA

    3' eq round. Auto release .
    http://pets.webshots.com/photo/20144...06566483zHvDzE

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    • #3
      Because, like everything, it depends.

      If you're riding a hunter round, and use an auto release, it's going to look like your horse needs that extra bit of control. Hunters are judged all on the horse, and the more it looks like a drunken monkey could take him out, the better.

      If you're doing the Eq rounds, it may be because the horse or course don't warrant it. Also, the rest of the riders position may faulter if they use this release, so most stay conservative and go with their most solid, guaranteed to look good AND be effective position.

      For jumpers, it's mostly whether it's needed or not. Some horses jump better. Some horses jump the same so why bother. And SOMETIMES, poop happens and you just grab mane and bless the gods your pony is scopey enough to make it over without your help

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      • #4
        Originally posted by flyracing View Post
        There's lots of topics on this if you want to search.

        3'6" hunter round. Crest release.
        http://pets.webshots.com/photo/27172...06566483wHplKA

        3' eq round. Auto release .
        http://pets.webshots.com/photo/20144...06566483zHvDzE
        It looks like there is a loop in the rein in the picture labeled auto release. Can't tell for sure.
        An auto release maintains contact over the jump. No loop in the rein.

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        • #5
          The "auto release" in that picture is a function of letting go with your hand when your butt didn't leave the tack. It's nicer than hitting him in the mouth, but doesn't count as an actual release.
          Even in the crest release picture if you imagine the follow through, you're in the saddle before the horse hits the ground.
          A release isn't all about the hand and arm. It's about body position.
          Body position influences the horse's body position. You are coming back early and shortening the arc, sitting in the middle of the horse's back, behind the motion. Your horse is jumping with his back as the lowest point of his body. These things are not coincidental.

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          • #6
            I dont' use the crest release and see no reason to.

            Unless you can't hold yourself up.

            Each is an entirely different way of jumping. Personally, the 'auto' release is more fluid and more in tune with the horse.

            Most people using the crest release I see are perched and posed over their horse, exagerating their position. I don't see how this contributes to a fluid well timed jump where both the horse and rider can accomodate complex situations.

            Just my take. And I wouldn't care what the "norm" or current fad is about crest releases. They aren't useful, to me.

            By the time you are jumping, you should be able to jump correctly and hold yourself correctly and not interfere with the horse. Contact over the fence through the approach, arc and landing should be fluid and consistent, not possible with a crest release, and not demonstrated with a crest release.
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            • #7
              I heard from someone the other day that back when, you did not jump until you could handle an automatic release (aka- steady body position in two point, really solid flatwork). The crest release seems to have been invented to give an extra level of stability or show the horse off to its best abilities. The automatic release, however, is better for keeping control, and also adds a level of finesse because it proves that you do not need your hands to keep your position. Neither is better than the other; it just depends on the situation, in my opinion.
              "Many are riders; many are craftsmen; but few are artists on horseback."
              ~George Morris

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              • #8
                For whatever WEIRD reason, GM appears to be partial to the automatic release. But then what does he know?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by S A McKee View Post
                  It looks like there is a loop in the rein in the picture labeled auto release. Can't tell for sure.
                  An auto release maintains contact over the jump. No loop in the rein.
                  That was actually my point. Because of the length of rein common in the hunters, it is almost impossible to do a correct auto release. It seems one or the other has to give? That was my observation I saw I was trying to share. And yes, cboylen, the problem has since been fixed. If was my first show over fences in 4 years and the horse turned out to be a pretty good bucker on landing so I was being defensive. I didn't sit on the horse in the first photo though

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AnotherRound View Post

                    By the time you are jumping, you should be able to jump correctly and hold yourself correctly and not interfere with the horse.
                    I think that this is a bit of wishful thinking. No one who's never jumped will be able to immediately jump correctly just because they've done flatwork. In theory, sure, everyone stays perfectly balanced and keeps a perfectly elastic contact with the mouth at all times.

                    But, this is real life. People mess up.

                    While the crest release doesn't offer as much control, it is certainly not necessary in most situations, and in some, the crest release is in fact the more appropriate.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by flyracing View Post
                      That was actually my point. Because of the length of rein common in the hunters, it is almost impossible to do a correct auto release.
                      Actually, no. Your hands are thrown forward which resulted in the loop. If you hadn't thrown your hands like that, they could still be following the mouth, in a straight line, but there wouldn't be a loop in the reins.

                      Horse is also jumping quite flat so he's not giving you a lot to follow
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                      • #12
                        Actually, if you watch GM teach or ride with him? He teaches all 4 releases, long, med. and short crest release and the following hand/automatic. He also teaches when each is appropriate and how to make the correct choice. Cannot imagine how anybody could say they always use just one and never the others because each question on a course demands it's own answer, not a cookie cutter approach that is "always" the only way to go.

                        Neither release pictured here is correct-the crest release has the hands floating puppy dog style atop the neck and rider leaning into them with elbows cocked and butt too far out of the saddle. A correct crest release has hands 2" below the crest with knuckles pressed into the neck, elbows close to the body and a more appropriate hip angle to the size of the jump.

                        If you think of the automatic release as the more correct term-following hand- you can see why the second picture is also not correct, as mentioned before rider is not following the bit, just throwing the hands forward.

                        Have no idea why anybody would assume nobody knows or teaches the auto/following hand based on just watching a class. It is preferred to make the horse look like an easy ride in a Hunter class-with a loop in the reins and no great effort to control them on landing, which rules out an auto. And there is no need to control every step in a small, level sand ring with a fence around it and fences set in a straight line with related distances like there is on an outside course with varied terrain, like a Hunter Derby.
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                        • #13
                          Here is a correct example of crest release, IMO, if you look at the other pictures as well, I pretty much only use crest release, primarily because with these horses we jump very small jumps!

                          http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...00093741leCqcM
                          http://community.webshots.com/user/summitspringsfarm

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by flyracing View Post
                            That was actually my point. Because of the length of rein common in the hunters, it is almost impossible to do a correct auto release. It seems one or the other has to give? That was my observation I saw I was trying to share. And yes, cboylen, the problem has since been fixed. If was my first show over fences in 4 years and the horse turned out to be a pretty good bucker on landing so I was being defensive. I didn't sit on the horse in the first photo though
                            But you are not doing an "auto release" in the photo you supplied - when done correctly there would be no loop in the reins, and you would have contact with the horse's mouth in a straight line from bit to elbow. There is no reason why a hunter can't be ridden using either an auto release or a crest release.

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                            • #15
                              Personally, I can do an auto release but, honestly my current horse jumps FAR better with a crest release. I usually do a pretty generous long crest release because it works. No risk of catching them in the mouth, plenty of rein to use his head and neck over the fences.

                              Here's an interesting release for you. On a horse I rode years ago, not my current horse
                              http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-a...05839_4768.jpg

                              Sort of an auto with light contact maintained, but there's no bend left in my elbow in order to give him enough rein. Needless to say this guy had a powerful jump and jumps in fine form pretty much regardless of your release.

                              Unless you're being asked to demonstrate a specific release, it's simply about allowing the horse to use himself to the best of his ability. End of story.

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                              • #16
                                Here's a picture of me doing an auto release.

                                Notice how I am in balance with my horse, my leg is at the girth and heel flexed. My arms are straight from elbow to bit.

                                Nikki^ and Kioko, Auto Release.

                                To me, it's the most advance release and the one I like to use the most. I also use the short, long and crest release depending on what we are jumping and if we are learning something new. IMO, it's important to learn and correctly use each release.
                                Last edited by Nikki^; Nov. 5, 2010, 05:34 PM.
                                "Common sense is so rare nowadays, it should be classified as a super power."-Craig Bear Laubscher

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Coppers mom View Post

                                  If you're riding a hunter round, and use an auto release, it's going to look like your horse needs that extra bit of control. Hunters are judged all on the horse, and the more it looks like a drunken monkey could take him out, the better.
                                  hahaha drunken monkey!

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                                  • #18
                                    Just for my own learning, then,

                                    This is a proper crest release...
                                    http://merrickstudios.morephotos.com...=_3KH2360t.jpg
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by flyracing View Post
                                      Where do you live that these are 3'6" & 3' jumps? Out here - these are called more 2'6"!!
                                      "A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority." Rick Warren

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                                      • #20
                                        This is just my opinion, but I find the auto release so distracting, and no offense, but kind of ugly! I guess it just goes to show how peoples opinions change based upon the timer period and how they were taught! I dunno, I just feel like the crest release is more clean looking! But, GM likes the auto so it can't be that bad haha

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