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    "All purpose" saddles - anyone ever ride in one?

    Has anyone ever ridden in an "all purpose" saddle? What do they feel like? Is it hard to two point in one? Just wondering. Thanks.

    #2
    no, its not hard to two point in one. The flap is straighter than a jumping saddle and I've found the seat tends to be relatively flat as well. Not sure what you're using it for, but as long as you don't have a super long thigh you should be fine doing some low jumping or basic dressage type stuff.

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      #3
      Well, it CAN be harder. I have a tougher time getting up out of my old Steubben AP than my Crosby PDN. It's got a deeper seat, it's not designed to put me as forward as the PDN, it's much more comfortable to sit in for long periods. I wouldn't use it for regular jumping or jumping anything very high (actually it doesn't fit Lucky and won't unless he really packs on the pounds so I'm not using it for much of anything right now) and I wouldn't show in it, but it works for tooling around.
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        #4
        It all depends on the particualr saddle, and what the design "stared as".

        Some All Purpose saddles were initally designed as jumping saddles, and then have longer flaps added. Those ones are fie for jumping (but more like an eventing saddle than a hnter saddle), but will put you in a cahir seat when you lengthen your stirruos to do dressage.

        Others started out as dressage saddles, but have more forward flaps added. Those ones are great for dressage, but will tend to make you tip forward in two point.

        It is important to try the saddle WITH THE STIRRUPS, as it is the placement of the stirrup bars thatr will determine how good it is for jumping.
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          #5
          It depends on the saddle. I've had one for years that is a wonderful saddle for cross-country, and could be used in a pinch for dressage. Of course, if you were riding with a clinician who wanted a really long stirrup for dressage, the twist was shall we say, a little sharp. But if you wanted to do cross country, show jumping or hunt, that was your go-to saddle.
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            #6
            This! Many A/P saddles have stirrup bars that are too far forward and put me in a chair seat. I have a lovely Austrian saddle that is so balanced that I could use it for everything.

            Originally posted by Janet View Post
            It all depends on the particualr saddle, and what the design "stared as".

            Some All Purpose saddles were initally designed as jumping saddles, and then have longer flaps added. Those ones are fie for jumping (but more like an eventing saddle than a hnter saddle), but will put you in a cahir seat when you lengthen your stirruos to do dressage.

            Others started out as dressage saddles, but have more forward flaps added. Those ones are great for dressage, but will tend to make you tip forward in two point.

            It is important to try the saddle WITH THE STIRRUPS, as it is the placement of the stirrup bars thatr will determine how good it is for jumping.
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              #7
              Thanks all.

              Oh dear, I'm a long thigh/long leg person who despises a forward stirrup bar & needs a more forward flap due to thigh length. This is not sounding like it's for me.

              I was just really wondering what the APs were about. I thought something different might be fun. Thanks for the insight.

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                #8
                Doesn't sound like it would fit you as well...

                I had a Stubben that I loved for comfort, but I recently sold it to buy a close-contact, because it was so comfortable my arse didn't want to leave it in two-point, and I was developing a serious left-behind problem over jumps. (:

                Now I have a close-contact, and so I jump ahead instead, because I suddenly have all this space to move in. Sigh.
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                  #9
                  I've seen a couple of "all purpose saddles" and sat in them recently. The shape and angle of the flap varies noticeably from one saddle to the next. Some are definitely oriented more towards dressage and others to jumping.

                  My opinion is that if you are in the market for a saddle, you should sit in as many as you can. Use that initial information to form a short list to actually ride. What works or doesn't work for other people may be different from what works or doesn't for you. You might never know until you see the saddle in person.

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                    #10
                    I've done dressage, hunters, cross country and jumping in all purpose saddles. I really like them because I have bad knees and long legs. I have no problem two pointing, posting, jumping or whatever in AP saddles.
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                      #11
                      Seems to me if you have a good seat and leg, it shouldn't matter if it's an AP saddle or not.

                      It's not the saddle that keeps you in place, it's your seat and legs.

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                        Originally posted by sonomacounty View Post
                        Has anyone ever ridden in an "all purpose" saddle? What do they feel like? Is it hard to two point in one? Just wondering. Thanks.
                        I used an AP saddle on my first horse.
                        It was a Barnsby Omega.

                        see the pics on my website of Sigal.
                        I jumped through Preliminary (3'7") in it easily.

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                          #13
                          It depends on the saddle. I ride in a SW Avalon, which is an A/P and I adore it - I've never had any issues w/ not being able to get into two-point, and never any issues riding w/ a longer stirrup. And ALL of my just-about-6' of height is in my thigh.

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                            Originally posted by Dispatcher View Post
                            Seems to me if you have a good seat and leg, it shouldn't matter if it's an AP saddle or not.

                            It's not the saddle that keeps you in place, it's your seat and legs.
                            Except if the way the saddle is built is preventing getting you where you need to go, it makes that a lot harder. Plus, on my AP, if I put the stirrups where I'm comfortable for jumping, I end up sitting practically on the cantle, while if I have them at a length where my legs fit the saddle, I'm set up more for dressage than for jumping. Conversely I just can't sit comfortably in the PDN if the stirrupts are even a shade too long--going without is easier. Everything lines up properly. The most extreme example--trying to sit forward-seat (damn you, muscle memory) in a WESTERN saddle. When I can get my brain to let my butt sit back on the pockets, everything works a lot better.
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                              #15
                              I don't know where some of this information has come from. I have a super long thigh and AP saddles are really the only thing i can ride in, as the flaps are usually longer and more forward. Many event riders use AP saddles for both the XC and stadium phase, so yes, AP saddles can be used for jumping successfully. The key is to find a quality, balanced, well made AP saddle. The inexpensive, cheaply made ones usually aren't good for any discipline.

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                                Originally posted by caryledee View Post
                                I don't know where some of this information has come from. I have a super long thigh and AP saddles are really the only thing i can ride in, as the flaps are usually longer and more forward. Many event riders use AP saddles for both the XC and stadium phase, so yes, AP saddles can be used for jumping successfully. The key is to find a quality, balanced, well made AP saddle. The inexpensive, cheaply made ones usually aren't good for any discipline.
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                                  Originally posted by caryledee View Post
                                  I don't know where some of this information has come from. I have a super long thigh and AP saddles are really the only thing i can ride in, as the flaps are usually longer and more forward. Many event riders use AP saddles for both the XC and stadium phase, so yes, AP saddles can be used for jumping successfully. The key is to find a quality, balanced, well made AP saddle. The inexpensive, cheaply made ones usually aren't good for any discipline.
                                  Yes! I competed for years in an Albion Original Comfort a/p. I'm nearly six feet tall and have a very, very long femur.

                                  I have a fabulous Austrian saddle right now that is an A/P and I can do everything in that, too. If I really want to jump larger fences I use a xc saddle with an extra forward flap but it's not necessary for most riding.

                                  Actually, I ride a lot in a Wintec pro jump, which for me is a lot like an A/P because of how *I* fit in the saddle.
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                                    #18
                                    I have an All Purpose Stubben VSD DL -- I love it!!

                                    I bought it when I first started riding again (after a ~20 year break) because the deep seat was so comfortable and it made me feel secure. I am getting ready to buy a custom CC saddle because the Stubben slips a bit on my horse (although not too badly with a breast plate), and because I feel I am ready to "take the training wheels off" so to speak.

                                    But I will always keep the Stubben for long rides in the pasture, and for dressage work if I decide to try my hand at some very low level eventing.
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                                      #19
                                      I bought my first AP (Croxby Mark VI) in 1978--I evented in it for years (eventually bought a dressage saddle) but still jumped in it. I switched to hunters about 15 years ago and rode in that saddle until it literally died. My trainer who is in her 60's and rides only on the "A" circut, loved that saddle. too. It was so compfy and it fit my horse to a T. When it finally died I bought a "new" used one--I still have it. In the spring, I needed another saddle (I have 8 horses) so I could leave one at the barn and have a couple at home. (I keep my horses mostly at home)--Well, once again I found and"new" old Mark V. They are a bear to break in because of the good old leather. But they last and last. Also because of the cutback design, I find they will fit all sorts of horses..

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                                        #20
                                        I have ridden in Stubben Siegfrieds, Crosby Mark VII, and an older Courbette that was very much like the Siegfried, and I've been comfortable riding in all of them. The Siegfried and the older Courbette had seats that were a bit deeper than most close contact saddles, but that was exactly what I wanted. The Siegfried is offered with a more forward flap if you have a really long leg.

                                        When I used a Siegfried VSD I did have a little trouble getting into two-point, but no trouble in the VSS or the other all purpose saddles I've tried.
                                        I had not trouble jumping with any of them, even the VSD, but I only do little 2' fences

                                        You don't say what sort of riding you will be doing, but if you do a fair amount of flat work and fences no higher than 3', an all purpose saddle can certainly work for you. An if you don't need a knee roll, you can pick up older Crosbys or Stubbens for a really good price, and they're great quality saddles.

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