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  • Huge disappointment with pony

    After much time spent searching & emailing, we found what we thought was the perfect medium pony with an admirable record in h/j shows, did trail rides calmly, was able to be cared for completely by a 10 year old, and could handle a 1/2 turnout all of which were important to us at our farm in Virginia. It took almost a week to arrange horse/dog/house care and get all the feed packets for our other horses organized, clothes packed, riding gear packed, hotel reservations & PPE arranged with a vet in their area that our vet knew and respected. Can I tell you -- this was a huge deal. The weekend before -- when we wanted to go -- the pony wasn't available because their trainer wasn't available -- owner then wrote in email how we would have first right of refusal -- (Pony was at the present lessee's barn and not with the owner.) so we then arranged to go this past week which was better because granddaughter had a 1/2 day off from school which gave us an additional day. Finally, we set off through wind and rain and were an hour into our drive when the trainer called to say that the pony had been sold to someone who had come into the barn and offered to buy without the PPE. Seller could not be reached by phone until we got home. Alot of confusion but bottom line is that the pony sold and we are disappointed. To her credit, the grandchild never shed a tear. No tantrums. Her biggest disappointment is that she won't be able to spend 3 nights in hotels! We tell ourselves that there is a better pony out there; we just have to find it. But it's still hard.

    I tell myself all of this is business. It is actually. But it still hurts. I suppose with the "right of first refusal" written in an email I could press for that -- and yes, it is business -- but it soured me enough not to want to put the time and effort to get there or to hand over a check to someone who would do that to us.

    Sorry so long. Had to vent and that helps. Especially to those who might have been there and done that. If any have suggestions on what to do next, I'd appreciate that. I've already tried wine and chocolate. I'm practically living on Bigeq and the hunter/jumper exchange & virginia equestrian and dreamhorse. I have so many barns saved in my favorite folder I don't even know how to access the good ones. I'm trying hard not to be distraught. It's only a pony, right?

  • #2
    I totally understand, and I'm sure a lot of other folks here will too!

    I still remember, a few decades ago, when I was just striking out on my own as a pro and found an "investment horse". Went out to ride it, just what I was looking for, and offered to put a deposit down pending PPE. Seller said no need for deposit, horse is yours, and I scheduled PPE for 2 days later, vet's earliest available appointment. I was sure it was a done deal - seller even took me out to dinner and gave me the horse's baby photos! Well, the morning of the PPE, I got a phone call from owner that she had sold the horse to a buyer who didn't want a PPE and offered more than the asking price. I was so bummed - I told her I would have paid the same, if only I'd been given the chance. I still remember this all these years later...hopefully, OP, you'll find such a perfect pony that your experience won't be a big deal...but it still sucks at the moment, I know!
    Please don't sabotash my conchess.

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    • #3
      But whatever you do--Don't give up the PPE.
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      • #4
        This may have been a blessing in disguise. You could have spent all that money traveling to see a pony and then spend a fortune on a PPE only to have to pass on the pony when problems came up in the vetting. I did that just this past summer. Spent a ton of time and money on vetting a very young pony that had a number of problems that I'm now sure the owner knew about, but neglected to mention and let me spend the money vetting anyway.

        My Advice to you from one who has lots of ponies: from now on, don't buy anything that can't come to your farm on trial for a few weeks. It's the only way I'll buy one. It's amazing the holes you can find once they are home with only your kid riding them. It will cost you the same money to ship one in as it will to travel and stay in a hotel for a few days. I don't know what kind of money you are looking to spend, but have you seen this pony? She looks to be very nice from her video...(I know nothing about her, except this video, but if I were looking for a pony, I'd make a call.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7qsEsdalv0

        A trainer I use to break my ponies has a few really good mediums for sale and she is by far the most honest person I have ever dealt with. Give her a call.

        Lauren Newmeyer (732) 664-4274 cell

        www.hunterpony.net

        Call her cell. She's in KY at WEG this week, but I'm sure she'd be happy to talk to you and set up a time for you to look at her ponies. I would take any of her ponies at a moments notice. They are that sweet and safe. She also has an amazing large who I know would fit the bill of what you described above. His name is Gryffin.

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        • #5
          I am also thinking blessing in disguise. For the owner to go back on their word just to avoid the possible PPE makes me think they were not confident it would pass. Either that or the agent and the owner were not in complete communication so one didn't know what the other was offering.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by CHT View Post
            I am also thinking blessing in disguise. For the owner to go back on their word just to avoid the possible PPE makes me think they were not confident it would pass. Either that or the agent and the owner were not in complete communication so one didn't know what the other was offering.

            I agree. I would suspect that it wouldn't of passed the PPE.
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            • #7
              Leave a deposit. I will not hold a horse without a deposit...but with a deposit I will hold it pending PPE, even if someone else comes in. If you can't make up your mind, and go home, then call me to tell me that you've arranged a PPE, but I have no deposit, I won't guarantee that I'll hold said horse...I get quite annoyed by buyers doing this, hence why I won't hold without a deposit. It ties up my time, and I find that buyers that leave a deposit tend to be serious...I've had buyers do a PPE, horse pass the PPE, and then the buyer disappears off the face of the earth. A deposit tends to stop that from happening (although I have had them disappear with a deposit, too, on occasion). The deposit is refundable if the horse fails to pass the vet for the buyers purpose...but isn't refundable if the buyer just disappears. Therefore, the deposit works to assure me that the buyer is serious and won't leave me hanging, and if the buyer does just disappear, I am compensated for the time that the horse is off the market. Interestingly, I have had some buyers try to negotiate price with me, and use the fact that they are NOT doing a PPE to ask for a better price. I will often do this simply because the PPE is a pain in the neck for me, and if the buyer is willing to take the risk without one, then it is worth it to knock a little off the price.

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              • #8
                I can handle all sorts of disappointments and dealing with people who don't do what they say they'll do....but....when my child is involved, and in this case, disappointed and saddened by adults not doing what they say they'll do....well, it makes me fighting mad.

                Yes, it's probably for the best, and you will find another pony, but you sound like someone who had dotted all the "I's" and crossed the "T's", and to have it fall apart after you were so conscientious -- well, it just stinks.

                I'm sorry.

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                • #9
                  Don't lose heart, even though it is depressing for things like that to happen. I had my sights on a large prospect recently that was on the market for months. When I finally was in a position to make an offer, it had sold just days prior. But, luckily, another even better one came along and I am in the process of getting it here to the farm in the next few weeks. You will find the right pony in the right situation with time and effort. There are quite a few nice mediums for sale at the moment. I have a couple as do others I know. Good luck in your search!
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                  • #10
                    been there, done that! they waited until after i tried the horse to tell me had sold!! the nerve!

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                      #11
                      Thank you for all your comments, sympathy, understanding. Mostly by sharing your stories. Yes, I had all the I's dotted and T's crossed. I had been ultra-thorough. Even so, when the trainer called to say the pony had been sold, I still wondered if there was something I had done or forgotten to do. Now, reading your comments, I feel better knowing that what happened was going to happen no matter what. And yes, what made me angry was that my granddaughter was hurt in the process. We'll find another -- one better!!! Right now, I need a little time to bounce back.

                      For those of you sending videos, contact names, pony suggestions -- a huge hug and thank you! Hopefully you COTHer's wil keep 'em coming! Your PM's are most appreciated.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CHT View Post
                        I am also thinking blessing in disguise. For the owner to go back on their word just to avoid the possible PPE makes me think they were not confident it would pass. Either that or the agent and the owner were not in complete communication so one didn't know what the other was offering.
                        Agreed, you will find the right one. Good luck.
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                          #13
                          llsc, I don't understand about shipping in a pony. You ask the sellers to ship a pony to you without your ever seeing it except through videos? When the pony doesn't work out, it goes back? How great a distance are we talking about? Are many sellers of really nice ponies agreeable to do this?

                          Does everyone agree about a trial period? Even when there's a good distance involved? Even if you have a 2 week trial period and the pony doesn't work out, then you still have to arrange shipping and that can take some time.

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                          • #14
                            After searching all summer for a nice horse for a 15yr old client, we've had our share of disappointments. Your granddaughter is probably too young to understand the valuable lessons of disappointment, but my 15 year old got a very clear picture of it! After several failed ppe's, and lots of hours on the computer, making phone calls, viewing videos & thousands of miles in the car; we FINALLY found a wonderful horse! He is much better than we could ever expect. The kid is so happy, she even went back through all her "trial" videos and can't believe what a super nice horse she ended up with! Like others have said, it was probably a blessing on this one particular pony. Just think of the money you just saved on gas, hotel, food and PPE! I sure the right pony is going to show up soon, he's just not on your radar yet!!!

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                            • #15
                              I bought a horse at a show one time, paid in full, wasn't even going to have a PPE, which was dumb, but the horse was all that and a box of chocolate and had been around for a long time, yada yada.

                              Came halter in hand next day to get MY horse and its trainer handed me my (very large by my standards) check back and said "Sorry, we decided to sell it to someone in the barn."

                              I'm still not over it!

                              ALthough that trainer has certainly fallen from the limelight since then which they heartily deserve.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Miss Motivation View Post
                                I bought a horse at a show one time, paid in full, wasn't even going to have a PPE, which was dumb, but the horse was all that and a box of chocolate and had been around for a long time, yada yada.

                                Came halter in hand next day to get MY horse and its trainer handed me my (very large by my standards) check back and said "Sorry, we decided to sell it to someone in the barn."

                                I'm still not over it!

                                ALthough that trainer has certainly fallen from the limelight since then which they heartily deserve.
                                Did you have a bill of sale done when you handed them a check. Once money has exchanged hands isn't it a done deal? I think that may have crossed a legal boundary or two.
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                                • #17
                                  To OP, as far as trials go I was helping two different people look for horses over the last year or so and found many people won't allow for any kind of trial at all and even ones that did allowed only for a short time, (few days.) One did allow an extended trial with a check for full amount in hand. Turns out horse was not at all what they described and was sent back before the two week trial was over. Buyer was out the PPE and transport to and from (was about 4 plus hours away) but better than to be stuck with the wrong horse.

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                                  • #18
                                    I'm usually on the other end of your situation. People go all the way to vetting or negotiating lease/sale terms with me and then change their mind at the last minute and I'm SOL and missed out on other potential buyers/leasers who were interested because I said we had a deal pending. I don't feel right having people continue to try the horse/pony when I have a sale or lease pending, because I don't want to lead people on that the horse/pony is available if it's not, but I don't want to get screwed over either. Hard call to make sometimes.

                                    Originally posted by twhs View Post
                                    I'm practically living on Bigeq and the hunter/jumper exchange & virginia equestrian and dreamhorse. I have so many barns saved in my favorite folder I don't even know how to access the good ones. I'm trying hard not to be distraught. It's only a pony, right?
                                    I think you and I are two peas in a pod lol.

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                                    • #19
                                      Finding a good horse/pony feels a lot like looking for a house or trying to "vet" a significant other. You often have to wade through a lot of junk and experience a lot of heartache before finding the right one. However with that experience comes the knowledge that helps you find the right thing when you see it.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by twhs View Post
                                        llsc, I don't understand about shipping in a pony. You ask the sellers to ship a pony to you without your ever seeing it except through videos? When the pony doesn't work out, it goes back? How great a distance are we talking about? Are many sellers of really nice ponies agreeable to do this?

                                        Does everyone agree about a trial period? Even when there's a good distance involved? Even if you have a 2 week trial period and the pony doesn't work out, then you still have to arrange shipping and that can take some time.
                                        If you go an try a pony on it's home turf, you don't know how it is at strange jumps and in the living and riding situation you have at home. What was a doll in a familiar environment handled by professional grooms on a daily basis, may be completely different when a 10 year old is handling it for grooming and turnout.

                                        I generally ask for 2 weeks trial right up front, if they aren't willing, then I don't continue. Most selllers of older been there done that ponies will let you take them on trial. You pay shipping both ways, or go pick up the pony. You give them a check for the purchase price and carry insurance on the pony for the trial period. If the pony doesn't work out, then you send it back and cancel your check or pick it up when you drop off the pony. Within the two weeks you have to do the PPE, not after the trial period.

                                        I have shipped in ponies from far away and they didn't work out, so I shipped them back. I figure it would have cost as much to travel with the kid to see the pony as it did to ship it both ways by the time I paid for a hotel and flights. I know if it's going to do all the things I need it to do, because it's here on my farm for the trial and I know it hasn't had any prep in the time I had it.

                                        I also always draw blood at the PPE and have it held for two months, by my vet, incase the pony drastically changes after a month. I can run the blood and send the pony back if there is a problem. I always let the owner know I am going to pull blood for testing and I have never had a problem. I make sure it's in the sales contract that if the blood comes back positive for any illegal substances I get my money back.

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