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  • Difference between GM Mastership Clinic and EAP?

    I have been reading the threads on both of the programs, I can see from the posts that they are two DIFFERENT programs, but can anyone tell me how you get accepted into each program and what the reason is for each program and what the differences are? It seems to me that the goal is very similar, create knowledgeable young riders who are given the opportunity to expand their knowledge of not only riding but equine care as well.
    To me both programs seem VERY similar. What am I missing?
    Kim
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    I think for the GM one the top juniors in the country get invited.

    Personally I have little respect for this ridiculous "clinic."
    It is basically kids at the very top of the sport getting told about stable management like it is rocket science and promptly forgetting to blanket their clipped horses when it is 30 degrees in Florida.

    If those kids really want to learn horsemanship they can just as easily get up a little earlier in the morning and ask the grooms where they need help. You know, EVERY DAY not five ones out of the year.

    No reason for GM to sit there and make a huge clinic; Jorge and Pedro can teach them just as much without all of this fanfare.
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    • #3
      John Madden wrote this for the Chronicle after the GHM Horsemasterhip Session last January...

      http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/...oid-our-system
      ILOVERMONT

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      • #4
        It's nice to see the top and most expensive professionals in this Country donating their time and services to the top most well financed juniors in the country. But then again it's not possible for those who are financially challenged to reach the top anyway so why bother with them. The sad part about this program is these riders do have access to the best already, So how come the BEST aren’t already incorporating these lessons into their own program???? Funny thing many of the kids at the bottom of the food chain already know these things , it’s how they grew up, with a pair of reins in one hand and a pitch fork in the other. So I suppose a clinic like this would be a joke to a kid who already can pull a shoe, treat a bow, and bring a rescue back from near death and turn it into a successful hunter or what ever, The thing they don’t have and could really use is access to these top trainers who so graciously donate their time to this program for a week for free. I know, I know, why should they, when it basically wastes their time.

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          #5
          So far no one has answered the basic questions I asked, all anyone has done is spout off snarky remarks. I have read tons of threads on COTH about the haves vs the have nots, I know how the horse world works, the more money you have the better your chances. I don't believe its impossible for a well trained lesser known kid to shine, they just have to WANT it that much more, there is NOTHING wrong with working hard for what you want. For me its about the passion and using every opportunity to make sure your doing what needs to be done. But I am well aware that the lesser know kid had a harder time, that's life.
          I simply wanted to know about the process for being accepted/invited into the programs and if there were any significant differences between them.
          Kim
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          • #6
            The GM clinic invites go out to winners of equitation finals, and those at the top of the Bates equitation ranking list. I believe there are also discretionary spots (or only one?).

            The EAP program is application based. Riders apply for a group at a level 1 clinic. There are different heights at the clinic, although I believe they did away with the lowest height division for this year. A few riders each level 1 move up to level 2 based upon their performance at the clinic, and same for level 2.

            There are some general guidelines here: http://www.ushja.org/content/news/pr.aspx?id=578

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              #7
              Originally posted by joiedevie99 View Post
              The GM clinic invites go out to winners of equitation finals, and those at the top of the Bates equitation ranking list. I believe there are also discretionary spots (or only one?).

              The EAP program is application based. Riders apply for a group at a level 1 clinic. There are different heights at the clinic, although I believe they did away with the lowest height division for this year. A few riders each level 1 move up to level 2 based upon their performance at the clinic, and same for level 2.

              There are some general guidelines here: http://www.ushja.org/content/news/pr.aspx?id=578
              Now I get it!! thanks THAT was very helpful!!!
              Kim
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              • #8
                Originally posted by hellerkm View Post
                So far no one has answered the basic questions I asked, ...
                Please re-read my first sentence.

                I said that you get into the GM clinic by being one of the top juniors in the country and getting invited.
                Further information on same is available in a link provided by another poster in the immediately subsequent post.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MIKES MCS View Post
                  It's nice to see the top and most expensive professionals in this Country donating their time and services to the top most well financed juniors in the country. But then again it's not possible for those who are financially challenged to reach the top anyway so why bother with them. The sad part about this program is these riders do have access to the best already, So how come the BEST aren’t already incorporating these lessons into their own program???? Funny thing many of the kids at the bottom of the food chain already know these things , it’s how they grew up, with a pair of reins in one hand and a pitch fork in the other. So I suppose a clinic like this would be a joke to a kid who already can pull a shoe, treat a bow, and bring a rescue back from near death and turn it into a successful hunter or what ever, The thing they don’t have and could really use is access to these top trainers who so graciously donate their time to this program for a week for free. I know, I know, why should they, when it basically wastes their time.
                  I will never forget when "equestrian" magazine did a day in the life of Hilary Dobbs.

                  It was like,
                  8:30am wake up
                  9:00 go to sbux
                  9:30 arrive at show
                  9:31 polish boots
                  9:45 get on first horse
                  10:15 sit in stands watching for several hours allegedly reading ten pages of homework because I'm at HARVARD
                  1:15 go get shrimp salad from vendor
                  1:20 sit in stands watching for several more hours doing ten more pages of homework for HARVARD
                  7:15 polish boots
                  7:30 ride in jumper class
                  7:45 go home, whew! that was tough!
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                  • #10
                    I believe the individual gold medalist at Young Riders also gets invited to the GM clinic.

                    I do not know if that is only from the Young Rider category or if the Junior Rider champion is also invited.
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                    • #11
                      P.S. Meupatdoes, jealousy is really unbecoming. Hillary works her tail off to ride, compete internationally, and be a full time student. Given how much winning she does, I would say she's got it figured out pretty well.

                      Just because you might not have access to the opportunities that other people have does not give you the right to try and tear them down.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by supershorty628 View Post
                        P.S. Meupatdoes, jealousy is really unbecoming. Hillary works her tail off to ride, compete internationally, and be a full time student. Given how much winning she does, I would say she's got it figured out pretty well.

                        Just because you might not have access to the opportunities that other people have does not give you the right to try and tear them down.
                        I'm sure she does.
                        In the face of all the work she is already doing, surely she can wake up before 8:30am and find ten minutes to tack one up.

                        And for the record, please don't make any assumptions about the opportunities I did or did not have access to.
                        I too rode with some of the top equitation trainers on the east coast as a junior, as well as an Olympian in dressage.
                        I too have an Ivy League education and managed to keep a sale horse business going and ride in Germany while I was earning it. So I for one can tack up a horse and get more than 50 pages read in 8 hours.

                        And additionally, I don't see how simply repeating the same schedule that she herself reported to the magazine is "tearing her down." I made no personal commentary; I simply summarized the schedule. If you feel her own self-reported schedule tears her down then maybe you should advise her not to self-report thusly to equestrian publications. It's not my fault the schedule is the way it is; after all, it's her schedule, not mine.
                        And why do you think her schedule "tears her down"? Are you under the impression it looks bad or something?
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                        • #13
                          Edit: Forget it.
                          Last edited by supershorty628; Oct. 1, 2010, 02:56 PM.
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                            #14
                            Just another friendly day on COTH LOL!!!
                            It seems to me that the EAP is at least a BIT more grassroots. At least there is a selection process ( even if it seems unbalanced at the higher levels to some). Either way it looks to me like you need to be very on top of your game to be accepted into either program.
                            Thanks to everyone who helped explain this all to me!!
                            Kim
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by supershorty628 View Post
                              I said might for a reason.

                              I was going to say more about the obvious chip on your shoulder, but I get the feeling it will go unheard, so why bother.

                              Carry on.
                              Well, if thinking that an elite young rider might actually tack up her own horse on a day that she woke up at 8:30 and spent several hours sitting around watching means I "have a chip on my shoulder" as if that is somehow an unreasonable opinion to hold, then that may be a reason horsemanship among young riders in this country is in a sad state.

                              If we are going to be having these "horsemastership clinics" for the elite young riders in this country then they might want to actually try practicing horsemanship at some time. You know, for kicks.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                                Well, if thinking that an elite young rider might actually tack up her own horse on a day that she woke up at 8:30 and spent several hours sitting around watching means I "have a chip on my shoulder" as if that is somehow an unreasonable opinion to hold, then that may be a reason horsemanship among young riders in this country is in a sad state.
                                Hmm, or maybe it's because people sit around griping about that and DO NOTHING. Sort of like the people who complain that the latest generation of humans is pathetic... someone made them that way.

                                I'm just curious, do you actually know any of the riders who have done the GM clinic?
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by supershorty628 View Post
                                  Hmm, or maybe it's because people sit around griping about that and DO NOTHING. Sort of like the people who complain that the latest generation of humans is pathetic... someone made them that way.

                                  I'm just curious, do you actually know any of the riders who have done the GM clinic?
                                  I aged out well before the GM clinic came to be.
                                  But yes, in my day I knew several of the top juniors.
                                  Seeing how I rode with them and went to school with them and all.

                                  I don't really understand how that has anything to do with this topic.

                                  I implied an elite young rider with time on her hands could tack up her own horse.
                                  Your reply indicates you think this position is unreasonable and that I must have a chip on my shoulder.
                                  The whole reason THEY ARE DOING the horsemastership clinic (allegedly, if it is not all self-promotion) is that they perceive many top riders have no idea about horsemanship. And your reply is I am unreasonable for thinking a top rider could actually tack up a horse! Hilarious!
                                  Really what is the point of the horsemastership clinic if it is so unreasonable to think that in real life these riders could make time to tack up their own horses. "Well let's make a big show for the magazine but we all know when you leave and go back to school and competing internationally you won't have time for these details. Smile for the camera though!"
                                  Congratulations for exactly making my point.

                                  As for criticizing me for doing nothing...what would you like me to do?
                                  Put up a youtube demonstration on tacking up? Happy to do it, if you think it'll help.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by hellerkm View Post
                                    Just another friendly day on COTH LOL!!!
                                    It seems to me that the EAP is at least a BIT more grassroots. At least there is a selection process ( even if it seems unbalanced at the higher levels to some). Either way it looks to me like you need to be very on top of your game to be accepted into either program.
                                    Thanks to everyone who helped explain this all to me!!
                                    I agree with you that the EAP seems a little more realistic and down to earth and hopefully, theoretically, attracts a wider variety of riders.

                                    P.S. I feel the need to apologise for the fact that your thread was hijacked. I hate that.

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                                    • #19
                                      Yes, sorry hellerkm!!!
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                                      • #20
                                        even the most elite trainers admit these riders are missing a big part of their education . This is why GM started this clinic. But why does this only go on 1 week a year instead of everyday in every barn? Just what do you think would happen if GM instituted a policy where beginner riders no matter what their economic status spent the first year in the barn and not in the ring ?? If they couldn't get on a horse or pony till they could properly take care of it. If they didn't want that education, if it is too beneath a millionaires daughter to learn to muck a stall or clean tack, then they could find another barn to ride in, it really is that simple. Want to ride with the best then you have to be serious and willing to learn the right way, not the easy way. Then until they can walk, trot, canter, properly they don't see a jump. If these rich kids can afford the best horses and the best trainers shouldn't they be able to get a complete education? There will always be plenty of trainers willing to teach a kid to ride a merry go round horse in a merry go round barn.. Until such time as those riders come up against not just a rich kid on a expensive horse, but a rich kid on an expensive horse that they knwo inside and out. What, is that too much information for a trainer to impart to a student?

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