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  • Loose Ring Snaffle OK???

    I have a young (3 yo) horse that goes great in this, is it acceptable to show in the hunters? We're not jumping so it's just the hack classes. But does one see them in the over fence classes?

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    Originally posted by Dapple Dawn Farm View Post
    I have a young (3 yo) horse that goes great in this, is it acceptable to show in the hunters? We're not jumping so it's just the hack classes. But does one see them in the over fence classes?
    Of course! That's teh most traditional hunter bit. D-rings are , in the great scale of things, a newfangled fad.
    madeline
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    • #3
      You could do a search on this one. There was a recent thread. The jist: yes you can, but a D ring would fit more with current style. I saw a horse win a big large junior division this summer in a loose ring (I asked her why and she said it was a western bit not made in a D-ring) So there you go, put the horse in what they go best in to get the best result. Otherwise spend $30 and get a D ring. The only people that will care are the ones you beat (in my experience).

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      • #4
        Of course. I show in a loose ring as my mare goes best in it. My trainer shows her new mare in a loose ring...and she wins at big A shows (Thunderbird). If you put in a great round, it will not matter! Put your horse in what it goes best in and allows you to have the softest and quitest hands and aids possible.
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        • #5
          They are not terribly common but I doubt it would be considered unconventional.
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            #6
            Yeah, I don't recall seeing them much in the show ring but if it's not illegal, we're good to go!

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            • #7
              It's not illegal, but it's not attractive either. It's not going to help dress your horse up at all, and without the rubber ring guards (obviously a big no) you run the risk of rubs as well. There really should not be much difference in the way the horse goes in a D ring of the same mouthpiece.

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              • #8
                Actually yes there is quite a difference to some horses in a loose ring, and I see absolutely no reason it should not be "Accpetable". A loose ring encourages some horses to motuh the bit more allowing more saliva to flow, some horse do not like the "fixed" position of a "D" ring. I honestly think very little about what bit a horse has on in the show ring, unless it is something that should not be in the hunter ring like a three ring or gag. I do not see how it is any more or less attractive than any other type of bit. Yes the "D" rings are in "fashion" just like full cheeks were 20 years ago. I personally use whatever bit the horse goes the BEST in regardless of the "fashion" craze. MAny of mine go in full cheeks, loose rings etc.
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                • #9
                  I have plenty of horses who go in a loose ring snaffle on the B Circuits and below. Obviously on the A you can pretty much count on not seeing them. Your horse is also a baby, so, I would say it's fine.
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                  • #10
                    I think if you are going to spend the money and time to show at a bigger, rated show then you should pony up and get the D ring. Yes, mostly because everyone else has one on but if fitting in is to your advantage then why not.

                    If however, it's more of a schooling experience or you are showing at a local or lower level you will be fine in your loose ring and you will see other riders in the same bit.
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                    • #11
                      I can see shawnee's point re: using what your horse goes best in. However, I would hesitate to use something in the hunter ring that would encourage a horse to be more active with the mouth- mouthing of the bit can and will (often) be seen as hesitation to accept it.

                      I agree with the others here- horse should go just fine in a D.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CBoylen View Post
                        It's not illegal, but it's not attractive either. It's not going to help dress your horse up at all, and without the rubber ring guards (obviously a big no) you run the risk of rubs as well. There really should not be much difference in the way the horse goes in a D ring of the same mouthpiece.
                        I think a loose ring looks much better than a D ring. Each to their own, huh?
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                        • #13
                          ...and maybe it would be nice to have something that the judge can remember. "Oh, yep, that was the nice horse in the loose ring..."
                          madeline
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                          • #14
                            Except the judge is more likely to remember, "oh, the horse in its schooling bridle". Do you really want your TACK to be what makes your trip memorable?
                            It's like going to a meeting in sneakers.

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                            • #15
                              As I say every time this subject comes up: My horse shows in all three rings (hunters, jumpers and eq) at A rated and local shows and pins in all three rings in a loose ring snaffle. He goes much better in a loose ring -- he CAN go in a D and has but he goes much better in his Herm Sprenger ultra loose ring and I would rather not "pony up" $200 to buy one in a D and one in a loose ring when I see no reason. He is soft, light and supple and I have never once felt that my bit was why I pinned a certain way either on the flat or over fences.

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                              • #16
                                If the judge is looking at the bit instead of the horse, your horse must not be very memorable.

                                Use whatever he goes best in, I highly doubt the judge will judge you on your bit choice.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by CBoylen View Post
                                  Except the judge is more likely to remember, "oh, the horse in its schooling bridle". Do you really want your TACK to be what makes your trip memorable?
                                  It's like going to a meeting in sneakers.
                                  I was thinking more along the lines of those who intentionally buy horses with a lot of chrome or some unconventional color. In a sea of 50 bay wb's going around 3' courses at 4 MPH, ridden by women in navy coats and tan breeches, something that will distinguish a nice horse from his clones may be a good thing. A good judge is certainly not going to mark off for the most traditional bridle a hunter can wear, but he may remember the horse that's wearing one. And it's certainly a less obnoxious way to distinguish your self than a pink lining in your navy coat!
                                  madeline
                                  * What you release is what you teach * Don't be distracted by unwanted behavior* Whoever waits the longest is the teacher. Van Hargis

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                                  • #18
                                    I say go for it. I am seriously considering showing my horse at the A shows (though in the non-rated Baby Greens) in a loose ring because I can't find the same mouthpiece in a D-ring and he goes just great in the bit he is in.

                                    I am also not going to use a martingale! Gasp!

                                    I was just now looking at a lovely recent picture of my horse cantering in his loose ring bit, sans martingale and thinking "why would I want to change anything about this?"

                                    Sure, I could stick him in his less suitable former bit (a D-ring) and slap a martingale on him as we used to do. But he went like garbage in that "outfit" so why would I want to do that?

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                                    • #19
                                      Funny thing is, my stallion was showing in dressage a few weeks ago. The girl that was riding him had him in a full cheek (I usually ride him in a loose ring). The judge actually said to ehr after the ride "How NICE it is to see you using a full cheek and you have used it properly with the keepers" THis is a very well known international "S" dressage judge. In a sea of loose rings his full cheek stood out, and in a POSITIVE way!
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by CBoylen View Post
                                        It's not going to help dress your horse up at all, and without the rubber ring guards (obviously a big no) you run the risk of rubs as well.
                                        That's the silliest thing I've heard today! Riding in a loose ring with out bit guards is NORMAL and thousands upon thousands of horses are ridden every day in loose rings without bit guards and have no rubs or discomfort. I have yet to see a bit guard with an opening small enough to cover the part of the bit that would actually pinch with an ill fitting loose ring (which is what would cause ribs; a bit that doesn't fit). The reason for bit guards is to keep the bit from sliding through the horse's mouth (same thing with egg butts, dees, full cheeks and so on) so if you have a horse that has a problem with the bit sliding through his mouth there are lots of options for a hunter to go in to not need bit guards, but if the horse doesn't have this issue there is no reason not to use a loose ring.

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