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    ... vertical-oxer-oxer-vertical. What would a gymnastic like this teach a horse and rider?

    would i be mistaken in thinking that the last 2 elements (oxer-vertical) would help teach the horse to rock back before the final vertical after stretching out over the oxer?

    While for a rider who is maybe stiff in her hip angle... gives the rider enough jumps in a row to actually relax and learn to 'angulate' thru the hip? lol

    I'm brainstorming our jump lesson for tonight and want more than 3 jumping efforts in the gymnastic with more than one oxer at the end... (boring lol)

    if you have any suggestions please feel free! It's a keen young horse (5yo) and as stated a 'stiff' hipped rider... thanks!
    Carol and Princess Dewi

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    What is the distance between elements? That will play a big part as to what the gymnastic will do for the horse. if it is set long, its not going to teach them to rock back. set short, it will.
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    • #3
      Probably, with a keen horse and a stiff rider, it's going to teach you how to be more efficient jump-crew.
      Seriously, without the dimensions, the description means nothing.

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      • #4
        I think this may be a recipe for disaster. I believe that a gymnastic is useful for youg, keen horses with VERY GOOD riders aboard, or good for not so good riders, on quiet, steady horses. Putting the combination of a rider that is making mistakes being stiff on a keep horse thru a 4 jump combination is going to cause huge problems. Most likely the rider is going to get off balance, left behind and the horse may crash and scare itself or the rider/horse could get hurt. I would use easier questions for this pair, probably some single very steep x's with landing/takeoff poles which will force the horse to be careful and the rider will get a "thrusty" jump which she can practice her closing the hip angle. If she makes a mistake on jsut one fence, not a huge big deal generally, but in the middle of a complicated question like the gymnastic in the OP, no way.
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          #5
          22-24ft, 30-34ft, 22-24ft...

          somewhere along those lines, still want the gymnastic to flow nice... but to get across the point of keeping a balanced position for the one stride out of the gymnastic. We build gymnastics one element at a time, so we'll see how it rides and adjust from there.
          Carol and Princess Dewi

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          • #6
            If you are trying to think of exercises I'd say pick up 101 jumping exercises . Quite a few good things of grid work in there. And then you won't have the guess work of being new to starting to come up with grid work exercises.

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              #7
              Originally posted by shawneeAcres View Post
              I think this may be a recipe for disaster. I believe that a gymnastic is useful for youg, keen horses with VERY GOOD riders aboard, or good for not so good riders, on quiet, steady horses. Putting the combination of a rider that is making mistakes being stiff on a keep horse thru a 4 jump combination is going to cause huge problems. Most likely the rider is going to get off balance, left behind and the horse may crash and scare itself or the rider/horse could get hurt. I would use easier questions for this pair, probably some single very steep x's with landing/takeoff poles which will force the horse to be careful and the rider will get a "thrusty" jump which she can practice her closing the hip angle. If she makes a mistake on jsut one fence, not a huge big deal generally, but in the middle of a complicated question like the gymnastic in the OP, no way.
              point taken

              this new gymnastic was just the natural progression... not a green rider, has ridden many gymnastics and is quiet in the tack. If you're interested, we kept all the jumps 2'6ish verticals (and yes, adjusted distances accordingly so horse and rider was taken care of). If you want specifics pm me and i'll try and put your mind at ease.

              Thanks for the help and concern tho, was just lookin for some conversation on fun gymnastics to use as horse and rider progress.

              imo... gymnastics should never be hard. there's a definate progression... you school gymnastics so the horse can figure it out (thats what proper distances are for) and make those questions harder as you train. It's not something you do right off the start. live, learn and train
              Carol and Princess Dewi

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              • #8
                I'd make the first element a trot in and keep all the distances on the short-ish side so the keenness is reduced somewhat. I had one that was keen and very clever and athletic. She didn't want to rate and was confident of her ability to get herself out of whatever she got into.

                We trotted in to a row of high X bounces and kept adding more until she figured out that she had to rock back or start the rails flying. Probably got to six or seven.

                On the one I have now, we set a short-ish three to a pretty big (for us) swedish, trotting in, so he had no options. He couldn't get down there in two and the three combined with the swedish forced him to figure it out rocking back at the canter.

                In both cases, my job as the rider was to keep them straight between my legs and my hands up the neck while they figured out the answer.
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                • #9
                  What Midge just said.

                  I'll add - if your rider is stiff in the hips tell them to push their tushie back a bit at takeoff and 'sink' in the hips. I've found that saying close the angles sometimes causes them to duck their shoulders and lose balance and not stay centered. Make the rider conscious of using all the angles - ankle, knee and hip. No standing in the stirrups - practice that lower leg to get the hips right. Lots of two pt! And sink all there and stay soft. They'll soon learn the feel of that centeredness.
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                  • #10
                    I do this one a lot. Trot pole, 8' to low vertical, 17' to low and wide oxer, 28' to another oxer, 20' out to a vertical. You can play with the in and add two bounces between the oxers as well. Helps the horse use itself, helps the pair feel a rhythym.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Midge View Post
                      On the one I have now, we set a short-ish three to a pretty big (for us) swedish, trotting in, so he had no options. He couldn't get down there in two and the three combined with the swedish forced him to figure it out rocking back at the canter.
                      Oh, I like! Of course it wouldn't have helped with the big lug, but that's why he's on to another career... But I can see where that has potential for a certain lazy youngster I know of...
                      Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                      • #12
                        Unfortunately for you, DMK, the big lug was great at everything but getting his knees out of the way. It was too bad...

                        I like the three because it is a nice step between 'gymnastic' and 'line'. He's cantering up to a good sized jump, but the distance is a given.

                        Thinking about it, it would work for both keen and lazy. Keen will get himself in trouble getting there too soon and lazy will get in trouble because the jump has some size.
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                        • #13
                          what are you setting your 3 at, distance wise? 46' 47' (umm, never mind - forgot it was a trot in - make that 36'?)... Or doing what i am guilty of, walking it off then moving it after seeing how it rides?

                          (not that I see this in our near future, but hey, like the Pile o'poles, some ideas need to be stored away)
                          Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DMK View Post
                            what are you setting your 3 at, distance wise? 46' 47' (umm, never mind - forgot it was a trot in - make that 36'?)... Or doing what i am guilty of, walking it off then moving it after seeing how it rides?
                            Wait a minute....that makes you guilty? I'm going to have to spend some time in confession...and I'm not Catholic.
                            (not that I see this in our near future, but hey, like the Pile o'poles, some ideas need to be stored away)
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                            • #15
                              the "gee I wonder how this will work ... on a green horse" approach to a near death experience. Keeps me on my toes and appreciating a good course designer, don'cha know...

                              Pile o'poles is just a "tripod" of poles (2 on bottom, 1 on top) used instead of any regular ground pole, but most useful set very tight (possibly even 6-7' feet if you have some mad riding skilz - or above referenced sense of adventure) after a steep X.
                              Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                              • #16
                                I didn't set it, so I don't know. Cody got right down there the first time, so we opened it up. I think she might have set it soft because he's little. She should know by now that is not necessary.

                                Yeah, pile o' poles, which Roxanne translated into 'oxer'. We both learned something that day. No mad skilz, but had that sense of adventure shoved right down my throat!!!
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