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  • The Thoroughbred Division

    Last week I watched the tb division at Md. Horse and Pony Show. I noticed that there were a fair number of horses whose connections were doing their best to make them Look like WBs.....over flexed, and ofcourse, the HUGE incongruous fake tail. Will this be the future of this growing division?? I wish there could be some stated criteria for the TB division, so that they retain their identity. How about NO Fake Tails for our Tbs??
    I think it is a wonderful division to help in the rescue efforts for OTTBs..and it provides a unique showing opportunity for the financially less advantaged......I just hope the contest does not become, "Let's see how much we can make a TB look like a WB!!"
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    Originally posted by Claudius View Post
    Last week I watched the tb division at Md. Horse and Pony Show. I noticed that there were a fair number of horses whose connections were doing their best to make them Look like WBs.....over flexed, and ofcourse, the HUGE incongruous fake tail. Will this be the future of this growing division?? I wish there could be some stated criteria for the TB division, so that they retain their identity. How about NO Fake Tails for our Tbs??
    I think it is a wonderful division to help in the rescue efforts for OTTBs..and it provides a unique showing opportunity for the financially less advantaged......I just hope the contest does not become, "Let's see how much we can make a TB look like a WB!!"
    Sorry, but what do you mean by 'connections'?
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    • #3
      I'd like to see it be a "tattoo" division, i.e., the TB was tattoo'd (as opposed to the rider) & had at least the race training, except that it wouldn't help the TBs who didn't even make it far enough in training to get tattoo'd & ON the track, much less become OTTBs.

      Then again, I'm old enough to remember when EVERYONE rode TBs in hunter divisions & we all were in awe of the first warmblood hunter in the barn . . . after all, they were only for dressage back then.

      I also remember when the TB classes were the tough ones in the hunter breeding division & people considered themselves lucky if their TB had washed out at the track, before getting tattoo'd. They'd lose the JC papers & enter them in the non-TB division (because back then, everyone was trying to make their QH & App & Paint & Warmblood look like a TB).
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      • #4
        Originally posted by KBEquine View Post
        I'd like to see it be a "tattoo" division, i.e., the TB was tattoo'd (as opposed to the rider)
        LOL!
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        • #5
          Separating the TBs into their own division is dumbing it down enough already. It reinforces the idea that they can't compete with the WBs in the regular divisions. If you have a nice TB, it shouldn't look noticeably different from the rest of the horses at the show, and you should show it proudly in whatever division for which it's best suited. If it's a good horse, it will still win. Bad overflexed riding and bad fake tails are inappropriate, whatever the breed, but I don't think you can make rules that enforce good taste .

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          • #6
            What is wrong with TBs with nice tails, and of good flesh?
            My OTTB turned into a chubby guy once he compleated the let down period and was given quality grain.

            I do like the idea of a tattooed TB division. It grates my nerves when people talk about their "OTTB" and how they retrained it or "rescued" it when it never set foot on a track to begin with. And no, you did not recue it, you gave it a new home and career path.. but that is a whole other topic.
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            • #7
              I am so old I remember showing my warmblood in the "non thoroughbred" hunters! Funny how times change. With such a huge surplus of athletic TBs produced in America and so cheap to acquire it's such a shame they are out of fashion.

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              • #8
                I've got one of those TB's who trained, but didn't race and never got a tattoo. It's been suggested to me (by more than one person) that he should be marketed as an unpapered WB or an appendix
                Y'all ain't right!

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                • #9
                  I have an OTTB who looks a lot like a WB without me trying to make him that way. I have actually shown people his tattoo since they did not believe he is a TB.

                  Of course I also have an OTTB who, based on looks, has never been mistaken for anything else

                  Both of them are good horses and have been judged fairly when they show.
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                  • #10
                    My little TB won the inaugural TB Invitational Classic at MD Horse and Pony last year and you'll be happy to hear that his borrowed fake tail fell off in the schooling ring, much to his satisfaction!

                    Also - he's very very much a TB for TB's sakes. The only other thing he may look like is a fancy large pony.

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                    • #11
                      What about those TBs bred as hunters by folks (like me) who love TBs as athletes (often with skimpy tails)? There aren't many out there but those that are shouldn't be barred from the TB division for lack of a tattoo and a compelling backstory.

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                      • #12
                        Pathetic.... My TB doesnt even look like a TB without his fake tail.
                        With it in, he could "almost" pass as a thoroughbred LOL. To me, he looks like a giant brown potato, and if you look closely you can see a few hairs growing off his dock. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...81786972rEqKnj Pathetic isnt it?

                        As for a frame, well my TB's and WB's work on the bit. I dont know how that is breed related?

                        I compete in the adult amateurs with one of the TB's, among 75+ WB's and 3 other TB's. One TB is build like a WB, the others are pretty standard OTTB types, but happen to all be in the top 25

                        Three times a year, there is a Thoroughbred Classic at the A shows. Any TB (sporthorse or racehorse) is allowed to enter. Its amazing the differences in build! There's some giant 17hh+ thick bodied horses, and some 15.2hh smaller ones. All seem to do really well in their respective divisions however!

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                        • #13
                          Haha, I just bought a fake tail on ebay on a whim for my TB, and she doesn't even do anything yet. Who knew there might be bystanders inexplicably hostile to them?

                          If she makes it to be a show horse, please don't come around our stalls in the middle of the night and steal it from the tack room. TIA.

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                          • #14
                            Growing division? They hardly fill around here and many shows don't offer the TB division anymore.

                            Agree with CBoylen...it IS dumbing down. If you're a true advocate for the TB hunter, then they should be able to compete across the board against the entire cast of characters.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SquishTheBunny View Post
                              Pathetic.... My TB doesnt even look like a TB without his fake tail.
                              With it in, he could "almost" pass as a thoroughbred LOL. To me, he looks like a giant brown potato, and if you look closely you can see a few hairs growing off his dock. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...81786972rEqKnj Pathetic isnt it?

                              As for a frame, well my TB's and WB's work on the bit. I dont know how that is breed related?

                              I compete in the adult amateurs with one of the TB's, among 75+ WB's and 3 other TB's. One TB is build like a WB, the others are pretty standard OTTB types, but happen to all be in the top 25

                              Three times a year, there is a Thoroughbred Classic at the A shows. Any TB (sporthorse or racehorse) is allowed to enter. Its amazing the differences in build! There's some giant 17hh+ thick bodied horses, and some 15.2hh smaller ones. All seem to do really well in their respective divisions however!
                              "giant brown potato." love it.

                              but really, he's cute!

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                                #16
                                CBoylen, I don't think of it as "dumbing down". I think of it as a way to help the tb to reenter the show ring. The criteria has changed so much from the time the tb was the norm that their division gives them a chance to reestablish their "look" . Thirty / Forty years ago when Hunters were Tbs. there were all sizes and weights and types and they went with their own tails, long , short, fluffy, skinny. Todays warmbloods are yesterdays "Heavy Weight Hunters"......a class offered in the working division, along with the "Corinthian " class, and many years before, the "Scurry" class.

                                As far as the tails, when one "fools " me, I appreciate the expertise . But most are so obvious, and annoying to the horse , getting tangled between their legs, not following the natural use of the tail.if the tail has not been deadened )o:...when I watch those horses I wonder , "If I can see it, and see that the horse objects to it, WHAT IS THE POINT??" Why has it become necessary for them all to look as much alike as possible? It did not use to be this way. Things change, not always for the best IMHO.
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                                • #17
                                  So funny you mention the fakes, a long past student stopped by to watch a regional medal final . She remarked that the tails ( in medal horses ) were so full and beautiful. I told her that many were fake and she posted on her fb page about going to a horse show where the horses were wearing extensions. LOL
                                  I really like the TB division and I like seeing really great moving, great jumping horses. It doesn't bother me at all if they need a little help in the hair department to enhance the overall picture.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Claudius View Post
                                    I think it is a wonderful division to help in the rescue efforts for OTTBs..and it provides a unique showing opportunity for the financially less advantaged......!!"
                                    This is perhaps one of the nastiest slap in the face comments anyone has ever made regarding buying OTTB...I will be sure to let my clients coming in from Chicago in 2 weeks to pick up their 5th OTTB know they are financially disadvanteged, and hope they aren't eating cat food so they can take their TB's to WEF this winter...............

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                                    • #19
                                      Yikes, that was a nasty comment Claudius. Some people don't care for a kick-along WB. We have a barn full of both, chosen to suit a particular rider.
                                      I too remember the days of non-TB hunter, and the coin has simply flipped. A good hunter is a good hunter, and BTW I feel that the really fancy WB hunters, have quite a bit of blood in them.
                                      As far as tatoo division, I think it should be limited to riders, unless we will have a branded division too.
                                      I am not a fan of fake tails, and I try not to let other people's grooming choices get my panties in a wad. I am a fan of the light colored hunt coat.
                                      Ride on, and have fun. That is why we show, and I think it's cool when shows offer "specialty classes" it changes the pace from the usual hunter division and the point chase.

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                                      • #20
                                        I actually like the idea of Throroughbred classes and wish that they would offer some in our area, if shows are still offering the Non TB classes, then why not? I don't necessarily see doing them *instead* of our regular division but as a nice little showcase class, same that you would use the Non TB classes for....

                                        Our little Nicks goes in a little frame, not overflexed by any stretch of the imagination and needs a bit of a fake tail, so he wears one. Not sure why that is a bad thing as long as it is appropriate. Hunters have a certain style these days and like it or not, that's what the judges are looking for and as Chanda said, a nice horse is a nice horse, TB or not.

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