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  • Some bit suggestions please

    Ok I will admit I am bit clueless. I know my types of bits but just clueless about how they really function. With all my horses, I’ve just used what they were going in when I bought them unless a trainer suggested something else.

    I have a 15ish year old WB who is currently going in a hunter dee corkscrew snaffle. I had a friend recently ride him who commented if he really needed that much bit. I really never thought it was that harsh but if it is pretty harsh, I don’t think he needs it. He is a very well schooled horse. He is a more whoa than go kind of guy – sometimes he will get a wild hair up his butt but it’s not that common or a problem. The only time he can get kind of strong is when he hasn’t jumped in awhile and is excited. I am currently trainerless right now so I haven’t been jumping him that much lately. If I do, I pop him over a crossrail. When riding him he tends to want to go behind in the bit, not in a bolt off with you kind of way though. I usually have to work at getting him more forward (he is lazy) and keeping his head up and out a little more. I was wondering if a softer bit might help out with this? I know it will be pretty much by trial and error but I don’t even know where to get started, so please suggest some bits to start with.

    He loves to have stuff in his mouth like his leadline, my clothing , etc. I am thinking maybe he might enjoy something with a roller?

    Does the Dee sizes on the sides make a difference? I noticed some are larger than others.

    Also he goes in a 5.25 bit. Kind of hard to find a selection of bits in this size.
    Owned by an Oldenburg

  • #2
    I am sure that others will comment and can add more expertise about how certain types of bits work with the shape of the horse's palate, etc. But I have always gone by the K.I.S.S. principle when it comes to bits! :-) So maybe take it back to a plain snaffle and if you feel like he's strong in that, take it up to a french link or a Dr. Bristol. Save the corkscrew if you ever need it at a show or on a cross country hack. Those are all common enough that you should be able to find in a 5 1/4. See if friends have some that you can borrow if you don't want to invest in a lot of hardware.

    Good luck! I am sure you will get a lot of feedback from others.
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    • #3
      I'd try him in either a Happy Mouth Mullen mouth, or a KK Ultra. I have a horse who will default, by getting behind the bit, and the HM MM gives him something to reach into, and is stable in his mouth. He didn't like the Loose ring KK ultra, because it was too much movement, and he'd curl under even more, even though it is mild. But many horses love it.


      • Original Poster

        I'd love to try the Happy Mouth but I don't think they come in 5.25 as far as I've seen. We will probably go back to a plain ol snaffle and see how he does in that. The corkscrew will be saved for jumping days or shows.
        Owned by an Oldenburg


        • Original Poster

          What about this bit?

          Owned by an Oldenburg


          • #6
            They make a 5" or 5 1/2 " HM MM.


            Dover will exchange it if it doesn't fit, and is still in new condition.


            • #7
              I agree try the HM MM My horse was in a corkscrew and he now LOOOOOVES his new bit!

              My horse is usually a 5 or 5.25 however no one had those sizes in stock so I ordered the 5.5 and put bit guards on it and it works fine.


              • Original Poster

                Which is more bit: a regular snaffle dee or a hm mm dee?
                Owned by an Oldenburg


                • #9
                  I'd say a regular snaffle because of the nutcracker action can have a more severe action on the horse.


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mimi La Rue View Post
                    Which is more bit: a regular snaffle dee or a hm mm dee?
                    Depends on the horse. Mine despised the wavy happy mouth so much it was effectively more bit. His was a pelham, but still. He actually ate thru it. Said horse also doesn't care for "regular" single-jointed smooth snaffles (or pelhams, so I suppose mouthpiece would be more correct than snaffle).

                    He goes quite happily in the Herm Sprenger Dynamic RS or the Sprenger duo bit, tho the latter doesn't have quite the braking power of the former. I used to show over fences in a waterford, but just showed in the RS this past year. There's also a flexible rubber mullen pelham in my collection. The mouthpieces are similar in the sense that they flex more over the tongue as opposed to the nutcracker action of a single-jointed bit.

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                    • Original Poster

                      Ok, so I went to the tack store to buy just a plain snaffle or happy mouth snaffle and they recommended a dr bristol snaffle dee. They said I should slowly back down from the corkscrew to make sure I have some brakes and control. Would a dr bristol snaffle dee be a step down? They said I can test it on my horse and return it if need be, as long as there are no bite marks.
                      Owned by an Oldenburg


                      • #12
                        A Dr Bristol is several steps up in severity. A French link would have been milder. I"ve known several horses that really disliked the DR Bristol, but are fine in a French link.


                        • Original Poster

                          Yeah I rode him and I could tell he did not like it all. It's definitely going back. I'm just going to pick up a plain snaffle and see how it goes. I think he will have brakes. Going forward seems to be more of a problem.

                          I think the tack store got the Bristol and French link mixed up. Grrr!
                          Owned by an Oldenburg


                          • #14
                            I agree that the Dr. Bristol is more bit. We always used to use it on the horses that had a mind of their own and didn't want to stop or pay attention to the rider. My current horse's favorite bit(when we use an actual bit) is the Happy Mouth Mullen Mouth bit. Otherwise, she goes in a short shank english hackamore.


                            • #15
                              I flat everything I have in a KK Ultra. It's a soft bit, and IMO, you can't really go wrong with at least trying it.

                              Like EMJ said, start out soft then work your way up. If he is well schooled and only gets a little pully o/f, then if your just flatting a regular snaffle should be plenty sufficient.


                              • Original Poster

                                Is this bit pretty mild? My local tack store didn't have the KK Ultra. I picked up this one to try instead.

                                Owned by an Oldenburg


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by EmJ628 View Post
                                  ... So maybe take it back to a plain snaffle and if you feel like he's strong in that, take it up to a french link or a Dr. Bristol. .
                                  I find this to be an interesting comment. In broadest terms, I find that a plain snaffle (one joint) to be a moderate bit. As far as going up and down the severity scale, a french mouth is just about the least severe bit you can find, where a Dr. Bristol (especially when combined with a drop noseband or flash) is up in the "Would stop a truck" category. Though they look similar, they are worlds apart in severity.

                                  In my old age I'm getting to like this bit:

                                  The canons are swept back so you don't get the poke in the roof of the mouth, the "c" sleeve prevents pinching, and the rings are big enough that they look really cool.

                                  This one is nice, too, if you have a horse that likes something "quieter" in his mouth.

                                  I know that the conventional wisdom is that a fatter mouthpiece is more gentle, but I've found that for most horses (or most TB's anyhow) a moderate diameter is all they are comfortable holding, and that the critical element is that the bit does not poke them in the roof of the mouth.

                                  The Mylers with the barrel in the middle, french mouths, bits with curved canons (like the first one above), bits with lozenges as long as they are not too fat, all satisfy that requirement.
                                  * What you release is what you teach * Don't be distracted by unwanted behavior* Whoever waits the longest is the teacher. Van Hargis


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Mimi La Rue View Post
                                    Is this bit pretty mild? My local tack store didn't have the KK Ultra. I picked up this one to try instead.

                                    Well, if you really want to spend that much money...

                                    I would try this first, if you're married to a D.
                                    http://www.toklat.com/dyn_prod.php?p=89-21025&k=88012 or this one

                                    or one of the c-sleeve bits I mentioned earlier.
                                    * What you release is what you teach * Don't be distracted by unwanted behavior* Whoever waits the longest is the teacher. Van Hargis


                                    • Original Poster

                                      So it is pretty mild? I have a credit at this tack store so don't mind the price too much. Also this bit is just about $15 more. This tack stores sells it way cheaper than SP. The tack store does carry Myler bits so I will check those out too. If I remember correctly though they don't have too big of a selection in a 5.25/5.5.
                                      Owned by an Oldenburg


                                      • #20
                                        Does your tack shop not have a HM MM in a 5.5"?

                                        Try a French link otherwise. Most horses seem to like them. A French link will have the peanut shape in the middle. Not a piece in the center with staright sides on it (Dr Bristol).