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  • chesnutpony1
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    Another update - tried the 16.5" GFS Monarch Cob saddle on the girl. Very, very minor bridging. Still too narrow, but I didn't have the XXXXW plate. Way too long for her back unfortunately! I took measurements several times over from her scapula to T18. Measured straight across her spine, I am getting only 14" - 14.5" inches. This sounds crazy small! I am going to measure again today 3 inches down from the scapula to T18. Apparently this may be a better gauge for her "usable" saddle area. Argh! I am so sick of returning saddles. I am thinking I will need to custom order a saddle. Perhaps a 16" Black Country saddle on the native tree will work for her? I'm totally OK with riding in a smaller seat size (17" is very large for me), but now I am worried that even a 16" may be too long for her back.

    Can you tell I am going crazy?! Lol.

    StormyDay Not sure if Duett makes small enough saddles. Our girl is a propane tank, so mutton-withered and very wide, well-sprung ribs!

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  • StormyDay
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    Originally posted by chesnutpony1 View Post
    The Hastilow isn't quite a hoop tree - the Highland Cob saddle takes the K&M S series gullet plates. They go up to Extra Extra Wide - which is wide indeed, but the shape is still not exactly like an upside down U. It might be an okay fit, if the seat size was smaller and the panels were more curved.

    Black Country makes a new tree called the native tree. I am looking into that currently. It was new in 2018, so not much information online, and I would be hard-pressed to find one in a 16" seat! The issue I am running into is that my pony would do well with a hoop tree at her wither area, but most of the hoop trees have a straight profile. They fit broader, flatter ponies. The hoop tree saddles may be okay for my pony if they short, curved panels / upswept rear gussets.

    Unfortunately, even the Thornhill / 24k Equitation in the XXXW plate did not match her wither tracing, since it isn't quite as round as she needs. It still has that A frame look - perhaps more so than the Hastilow. Tree points might be longer?
    This was my horses exact problem. He isn't actually a wide; his body is not wide. His wither is wide. Neither will any of the thorowgood or wintec models work.
    Look into the Duett saddles. They will work. Sometimes you can pick up a cheap one for sale, but even if you can't the new ones aren't expensive at all.

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  • Mersidoats
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    Would you consider a custom? Ryder (out of the U.K.) makes some nice saddles and they have experience fitting ponies. As far as custom saddles go, they are not terribly expensive, and the leather and craftsmanship are excellent quality.

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  • chesnutpony1
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    The Hastilow isn't quite a hoop tree - the Highland Cob saddle takes the K&M S series gullet plates. They go up to Extra Extra Wide - which is wide indeed, but the shape is still not exactly like an upside down U. It might be an okay fit, if the seat size was smaller and the panels were more curved.

    Black Country makes a new tree called the native tree. I am looking into that currently. It was new in 2018, so not much information online, and I would be hard-pressed to find one in a 16" seat! The issue I am running into is that my pony would do well with a hoop tree at her wither area, but most of the hoop trees have a straight profile. They fit broader, flatter ponies. The hoop tree saddles may be okay for my pony if they short, curved panels / upswept rear gussets.

    Unfortunately, even the Thornhill / 24k Equitation in the XXXW plate did not match her wither tracing, since it isn't quite as round as she needs. It still has that A frame look - perhaps more so than the Hastilow. Tree points might be longer?

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  • TheJenners
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    Hastilow is also a hoop tree, I believe.

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  • QM2
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    I live about 45 mins from Intrepid so I drove and took the saddle on a test.

    it is V shaped but it is wide enough for my pony. My thought before I got it was if it was close but not quite right, I might have my farrier bang the metal gullet a bit wider. That was if I was desperate but I didn’t need to do that.
    I did ask them about the gold but the said the 24k eq was wider. That’s why I went with that one.

    Black Country has U shaped trees they are called a freedom tree and some other brands have hoop trees.
    Smith Worthington and Duett have hoop trees.

    Good luck!
    jenn.

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  • Against*All*Odds
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    I just got the thornhill jorge canaves xw (36”) and its wonderful

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  • chesnutpony1
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    Bad news... mare was extremely unimpressed with the Intrepid International Gold Deluxe Interchangeable Gullet System Close Contact Saddle. I didn't get very much footage as our girl was very uncomfortable and ouchy in the saddle. It was much too narrow for her, and I am afraid it was even too long for her back in the 16.5". This could be due to the fact that the saddle was very narrow on her. Feeling a bit frustrated at the moment! I am so sick of trying out saddles and returning them. Going to try the Monarch Cob GP Adjustable S650 in 16.5" and XXXW tomorrow hopefully. Not sure what the next step after that is!

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  • StormyDay
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    Originally posted by chesnutpony1 View Post
    Quick update - I talked to Windswept Horse & Hound and they suggested the Intrepid International Gold Deluxe Interchangeable Gullet System Close Contact Saddle over the Pro-Trainer Platinum 24K Equitation Saddle X-Changeable Gullet System for our pony. The Gold Deluxe has even more curve (banana shape) than the 24k Equitation. So we will be trying the Gold Deluxe in 16.5" and XXW (only goes up to this size). I will be posting tons of pictures (and maybe even video) once the saddle arrives.

    Also going to be trying the Monarch Cob GP Adjustable S650 in 16.5" and XXXW. I had contacted GFS and another saddlery online and they believe the Monarch Cob may work for our pony because it is not as flat as many other cob and pony saddles on the market (Kent & Masters, Whitaker, etc.). It has been used on many native pony breeds. Hopefully it has enough curve in the tree for our girl!

    If both saddles work splendidly, we will be keeping them both!
    Awesome, tag me when you post the pics!
    I just bought a Killington 3 saddle in XXW. It’s a hoop tree. If you’re interested in seeing it I can post pics of it too. Trumbull saddlery is the dealer for them.

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  • chesnutpony1
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    Quick update - I talked to Windswept Horse & Hound and they suggested the Intrepid International Gold Deluxe Interchangeable Gullet System Close Contact Saddle over the Pro-Trainer Platinum 24K Equitation Saddle X-Changeable Gullet System for our pony. The Gold Deluxe has even more curve (banana shape) than the 24k Equitation. So we will be trying the Gold Deluxe in 16.5" and XXW (only goes up to this size). I will be posting tons of pictures (and maybe even video) once the saddle arrives.

    Also going to be trying the Monarch Cob GP Adjustable S650 in 16.5" and XXXW. I had contacted GFS and another saddlery online and they believe the Monarch Cob may work for our pony because it is not as flat as many other cob and pony saddles on the market (Kent & Masters, Whitaker, etc.). It has been used on many native pony breeds. Hopefully it has enough curve in the tree for our girl!

    If both saddles work splendidly, we will be keeping them both!

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  • StormyDay
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    Originally posted by chesnutpony1 View Post
    Not going to lie - I also just purchased the same saddle you have QM2! Your pony looks so similar to our pony - you really sold me! Eek! My wallet is going to hate me! But at least we will have both the 24k Equitation saddle & Monarch saddle to try out on her.
    When you get it will you post a pic from the front? I’d love to see the tree shape.

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  • DawgLady
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    I've recently heard tell of the "hoop tree" that some English-made saddles offer (I believe it was County and/or Black Country) for exceptionally wide steeds. Could be worth some research.

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  • TheJenners
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    You're talking size, I'm talking shape

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  • chesnutpony1
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    TheJenners

    Tree shape (at wither area) depends on the specific model - the Thornhill Pro Trainer 24k saddle takes the Xchange system. https://www.intrepidintl.com/Xchange-Gullet-System
    I believe it is the same as Pessoa. It goes from N - XXXW.

    The Arwen I believe takes the Intrepid Interchangeable gullet system. https://www.intrepidintl.com/Intrepi...ullet-Plates_6 It says on this page that the Intrepid Gullets can be used for the Advance Ride, Arwen and Gold Deluxe Saddle. They go from N - XXW.

    Not sure about exact shape - will be looking into more photos of the plates!

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  • TheJenners
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    QM2 do you have info on tree shape?

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  • TheJenners
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    I don't put *too much* stock into sweat marks, because a lot of times it can just be friction from, like you said, a saddle that is rising a bit, so scrubbing more dirt off the pony.

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  • chesnutpony1
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    QM2 - I have my fingers crossed! :-) Did your saddle ship quickly? I purchased it from Windswept Horse & Hound. Not sure if you went directly through Intrepid International when you ordered or not. Haha, too excited! We want our girl feeling her best!

    I did take a photo of the dust / sweat patterns from the Hastilow saddle. It seems like there is quite a bit of pressure at the back due to the gussets. Anyone have any thoughts on the sweat marks? The saddle pad was only used twice with the Hastilow saddle, so the marks are only from this saddle.

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  • QM2
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    Oh good! My girl really likes it. She was very pissy when sitting to balance and she‘s so much better now.

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  • TheJenners
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    Hmm I like some of those Intrepid saddles; the Arwen looks nice. Does anyone what shape the tree is, hoop or ?

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  • chesnutpony1
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    Not going to lie - I also just purchased the same saddle you have QM2! Your pony looks so similar to our pony - you really sold me! Eek! My wallet is going to hate me! But at least we will have both the 24k Equitation saddle & Monarch saddle to try out on her.

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