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  • Sunflower
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    I find the "I don't wanna wear a mask" view repugnant. If people don't want to wear a mask, don't, and stay home from the horse show. Presumably, people in this position have a choice about going to shows-- its a hobby, not their livelihood. They do not have to go. They are in a position where they have the income and the time to be able to go if they want, but nothing happens to them if they do not go, as in, they do not lose their job, they are still able to pay their bills, or whatever. On the other hand, there will be people at shows who have to be there, because it is their job and if they do not turn up they will lose their job. They need their job to pay bills. On behalf of those people others should wear a mask. Those people may have family members to go home to who are vulnerable. If others expose one of those people to risk of the virus, then others expose their family members. Everyone has a social responsibility to not spread the virus. One way to do this is stay home. Another way is to wear a mask. By not wearing a mask people suggest their comfort is worth more than someone else's life.

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  • Tha Ridge
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    Originally posted by willowoodstables View Post
    I’m going to call BS on its tooooo hard to work/run in a mask...please have a viewing of jockeys riding 1200 lb horses at 35 miles an hour during each and every race...wearing a mask!
    Exactly. NYCer here, have been in a mask since the second week of March. It's not that hard, people. My barn is 100% mask-wearing, except when you're mounted. BTW, in 2011, Olympic marathoner Galen Rupp ran a 10k race in 28 minutes wearing a mask.

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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by MHM View Post

    Hits posted a clarification on their Facebook page. He was referring to the 16 states that currently have a quarantine imposed by New York State.
    That makes more sense.

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  • MHM
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    Originally posted by Sarah616 View Post

    That quote makes it sound like they're only allowing residents of New York to show. Am I misinterpreting that?
    Hits posted a clarification on their Facebook page. He was referring to the 16 states that currently have a quarantine imposed by New York State.

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  • TheMoo
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    Originally posted by Sarah616 View Post

    That quote makes it sound like they're only allowing residents of New York to show. Am I misinterpreting that?
    NYS has a list of states that require a two week quarantine if one arrives from a state on that list. So while they are not “only allowing New York residents,” they are saying if you come from Florida for example, you need to plan for the two week quarantine or you will not be allowed to show. Come from Connecticut, good to go no quarantine required.

    However, that article was pure lip service to the residents unless they didn’t feel a need to update the online prize list.

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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by Sarah616 View Post

    That quote makes it sound like they're only allowing residents of New York to show. Am I misinterpreting that?
    That's how I read it, but that would mean all of the 20+ riders in the Welcome Stake on the 1st were all New York residents.

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  • Sarah616
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    Originally posted by Belmont View Post


    “In order to compete at the event, one must sign a release, abiding by all these state regulations, and this comes in the mail to us,” Struzzieri said. “And of course, if someone is coming to us from out of state, they’re not able to show … it’s as simple as that.


    LOL yea right.

    Literally the opposite of what the office girls told an area barn coming from a hotspot state. In fact, they told them to come earlier for fear that they will be turning away agricultural trucks from hotspot states (heading to Lamplight).

    Also you can see rider results and entires on the website, Tom.
    That quote makes it sound like they're only allowing residents of New York to show. Am I misinterpreting that?

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  • Belmont
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    Originally posted by MHM View Post

    “In order to compete at the event, one must sign a release, abiding by all these state regulations, and this comes in the mail to us,” Struzzieri said. “And of course, if someone is coming to us from out of state, they’re not able to show … it’s as simple as that.


    LOL yea right.

    Literally the opposite of what the office girls told an area barn coming from a hotspot state. In fact, they told them to come earlier for fear that they will be turning away agricultural trucks from hotspot states (heading to Lamplight).

    Also you can see rider results and entires on the website, Tom.

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  • StormyDay
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    Originally posted by willowoodstables View Post
    I’m going to call BS on its tooooo hard to work/run in a mask...please have a viewing of jockeys riding 1200 lb horses at 35 miles an hour during each and every race...wearing a mask!
    I don’t know, I believe it. I had to carry a ton of stuff today in the heat wearing a cloth homemade mask, and it kept getting sucked up my nose as I was breathing. I could definitely tell there was a difference on vs off. So depending on the material of the mask you got ahold of, I could see it impeding airflow.
    But I don’t think those little surgical masks are going to do that.

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  • MHM
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    Saugerties update.

    https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/hu...-vJ91m74D3Nnms

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  • TheMoo
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    Originally posted by willowoodstables View Post
    I’m going to call BS on its tooooo hard to work/run in a mask...please have a viewing of jockeys riding 1200 lb horses at 35 miles an hour during each and every race...wearing a mask!
    Yeah, if someone is out of breath because they walked up a hill, it’s not the mask. It’s fitness.

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  • willowoodstables
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    I’m going to call BS on its tooooo hard to work/run in a mask...please have a viewing of jockeys riding 1200 lb horses at 35 miles an hour during each and every race...wearing a mask!

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  • StormyDay
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    Originally posted by 2bayboys View Post

    I agree, masks suck. They’re hot, they’re uncomfortable, and the Governor’s order pertaining to shows appears to be written by someone who has never run a horse show.

    However, if someone decides they want to complain to the local Health Dept about non-compliance of COVID precautions and all horse shows in VA are once again shut down because those in charge of such things don’t want to deal with horse people who have twenty different reasons why they can’t follow the rules, then that is going to suck too.

    Did you see the email that VHSA sent out to show managers about this very topic? VHSA made it very clear that the above scenario is a real concern. Here it is:

    “Governor Northam announced that Phase 3 will being today, July 1, 2020. Please find attached the “Safer at Home: Phase Three Horse and Other Livestock Shows” requirements.

    Please follow these requirements for the safety of your exhibitors, staff and yourself. The VHSA, as does everyone, wants our horse shows to continue and does not want any horse shows to be shut down by the local Health Department due to not following the rules as outlined in the attached.

    Please note that these requirements are mandatory and it is Show Management’s responsibility to make sure that the requirements listed in Phase 3 are strictly followed.

    Your cooperation is paramount for our sport to be able to continue without another State mandated shutdown.“
    I agree with you on all points. I don’t want shows shut down. And therefore, I am complying. But I do know there is a whole lot of equestrians that aren’t, but I’m also not going to shame them or tell them to put a mask on or anything.
    I’m not sure if it will matter or not with regards to horse shows being allowed vs prohibited. They have got their hands full already with parades, fireworks displays, stores; heck, even the hiking trails around here are overcrowded and very free of masks. Parks are being used, public pools are open, people are going on vacation, etc. So truthfully, I’m not sure he would be able to put this all back in the box anyways.
    Towards the end of the ban on inside dining, there were at least 5 separate places that just ignored it and opened just in my area. There was a least one ‘secret’ horse show that ran before May, and I regularly saw groups of bikers that were 15-20 people. It doesn’t matter what the science says; people are bored and fed up and will do what they want.

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  • GPjumper
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    It would be nice if the office staff at Culpeper were wearing their masks properly as well.......
    I’ve been here all week and mask compliance seems to be hit or miss, even by the staff.

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  • 2bayboys
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    Originally posted by StormyDay View Post

    I think you are reading into my words what you want to see. I never said: no one should wear masks! Defy everyone!
    At the shows I have been to they have been trying really hard to keep everyone safe. Social distancing has been great. Problem is, when you are a groom and the rider needs that martingale/spurs/etc they forgot NOW, and you need to run to the trailer and back, that’s really, really hard to do in a mask. And when you need to go pick up class results and must walk up a big hill, and your not 15 anymore, that’s hard to do in a mask. I don’t agree with the governor’s new laws about masks outdoors at shows. Will I follow them? Yes. But I think that anyone who has been ringside in 90 degree weather knows that being the groom/trainer/etc is just as much of a workout as the person on the horse, and maybe our governor doesn’t understand that.
    I agree, masks suck. They’re hot, they’re uncomfortable, and the Governor’s order pertaining to shows appears to be written by someone who has never run a horse show.

    However, if someone decides they want to complain to the local Health Dept about non-compliance of COVID precautions and all horse shows in VA are once again shut down because those in charge of such things don’t want to deal with horse people who have twenty different reasons why they can’t follow the rules, then that is going to suck too.

    Did you see the email that VHSA sent out to show managers about this very topic? VHSA made it very clear that the above scenario is a real concern. Here it is:

    “Governor Northam announced that Phase 3 will being today, July 1, 2020. Please find attached the “Safer at Home: Phase Three Horse and Other Livestock Shows” requirements.

    Please follow these requirements for the safety of your exhibitors, staff and yourself. The VHSA, as does everyone, wants our horse shows to continue and does not want any horse shows to be shut down by the local Health Department due to not following the rules as outlined in the attached.

    Please note that these requirements are mandatory and it is Show Management’s responsibility to make sure that the requirements listed in Phase 3 are strictly followed.

    Your cooperation is paramount for our sport to be able to continue without another State mandated shutdown.“

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  • StormyDay
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    Originally posted by 2bayboys View Post

    So.....
    people should just ignore the VA Governor’s mandate for wearing a mask and the USEF rules for wearing a mask because they don’t feel like it? The VA Dept of Health may feel differently about it and has the power to shut events down for non compliance.

    (I tried to post the link to the Governor’s order that applies specifically to horse and livestock shows but the board won’t let me.)

    In addition, the show is sold out. Which means there’ no way it’s in compliance with the number of people allowed at a venue. What bothers me about horse shows like this is that the vast majority of the participants involved don’t live here and they’re not confined to the show grounds. They are dining and socializing and shopping in the community, and that’s exactly the sort of thing that is not supposed to be occurring during a pandemic.
    I think you are reading into my words what you want to see. I never said: no one should wear masks! Defy everyone!
    At the shows I have been to they have been trying really hard to keep everyone safe. Social distancing has been great. Problem is, when you are a groom and the rider needs that martingale/spurs/etc they forgot NOW, and you need to run to the trailer and back, that’s really, really hard to do in a mask. And when you need to go pick up class results and must walk up a big hill, and your not 15 anymore, that’s hard to do in a mask. I don’t agree with the governor’s new laws about masks outdoors at shows. Will I follow them? Yes. But I think that anyone who has been ringside in 90 degree weather knows that being the groom/trainer/etc is just as much of a workout as the person on the horse, and maybe our governor doesn’t understand that.

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  • Atlas Shrugged
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    Is everyone at HITS NY just hanging around in the barns and the town waiting for the show to start? If so, can't believe shutting it down will do much to prevent the spread of Covid

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  • 2bayboys
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    Originally posted by kt View Post

    Looks like Virginia’s mask mandate is for public indoor areas.
    Not so. The following is directly from the VA Governor’s office effective July 1. Since it wouldn’t let me post the link, I cut and pasted the whole document.

    scope: phase 3:
    safer at home: phase three
    horse and other livestock shows
    Indoor and outdoor horse and other livestock shows.
    Horse and other livestock shows must either implement the following mandatory requirements or they must not take place.
    Mandatory Requirements:
    Participants and organizers of horse and other livestock show activities must strictly adhere to the physical distancing guidelines, enhanced cleaning and disinfection practices, and enhanced workplace safety practices provided in the “Guidelines for All Business Sectors” document.
    Participants and organizers of horse and other livestock shows must adhere to the following additional requirements for such activities:
     Post signage at the entrance that states that no one with a fever or symptoms of COVID- 19, or known exposure to a COVID-19 case in the prior 14 days, is permitted in the establishment.
     Post signage to provide public health reminders regarding physical distancing, gatherings, options for high risk individuals, and staying home if sick (samples at bottom of this document).
     Create a guest flow plan of modified queue lines to and within the facility. Determine areas likely to become bottlenecks or pinch points and adjust guest flow accordingly.
     Install visible markers for queue lines that separate people by six feet of physical distance. Sample markers are available in the VDH Business Toolkit.
     Create and display physical distancing communication tools, including static signs, kiosks, audio announcements, or video announcements. Signage should include the requirement to wear face coverings at all times and to maintain six feet of physical distance between people who do not reside in the same household. Sample signage is available in the VDH Business Toolkit.
     Reconfigure seating areas to allow six feet of physical distance between individuals by eliminating and closing select tables or seating areas, or by spreading them out to allow for adequate spacing.
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     Ensure facility exits are configured to reduce the occurrence of bottlenecks and large gatherings. The total number of attendees (including both participants and spectators) of livestock and horse shows cannot exceed the lesser of 50% of the occupancy load of the venue, if applicable, or 250 persons. For shows held in a barn, stable, or ring, attendees are limited to 250 persons per structure or assigned area.
     Ensure anyone who has symptoms of, has tested positive for, or has been exposed to COVID-19 follows appropriate guidelines for quarantine or isolation. Persons with symptoms should stay home until CDC criteria for ending isolation have been met. Persons with severe symptoms may need to be evaluated by a healthcare provider. Establish procedures for safely transporting anyone who is sick to their home or to a healthcare facility. If you are calling an ambulance or bringing someone to the hospital, try to call first to alert them that the person may have COVID-19.
     Conduct daily screening of trainers, officials, staff, participants, and other attendees for COVID-19 symptoms prior to admission to the venue/facility. Children should be screened per the CDC guidance for screening children. Adults should be asked if they are currently experiencing fever (100.4°F or higher) or a sense of having a fever, a new cough that cannot be attributed to another health condition, new shortness of breath that cannot be attributed to another health condition, new chills that cannot be attributed to another health condition, a new sore throat that cannot be attributed to another health condition, or new muscle aches that cannot be attributed to another health condition or specific activity (such as physical exercise). Anyone experiencing symptoms should not be permitted on show grounds. Screenings should be conducted in accordance with applicable privacy and confidentiality laws and regulations.
     All shared items must be disinfected between each use to the extent practicable.
     Employees should wear face coverings in customer-facing areas that cover their nose and
    mouth using CDC Use of Cloth Face Coverings guidance.
     Require all people inside the show grounds, unless mounted on a horse, to wear a face covering.
     Provide hand washing or sanitizing stations at the reception area and throughout the entire facility for employee and attendee use.
     Best Practices: In addition to the requirements provided above, management must utilize the following best practices to the extent they are feasible:
     Utilize online entries and payment by credit card.
     Designate one representative to handle the entire barn or stable’s interface with the show and event offices.
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     Adhere to physical distancing guidelines and utilize face coverings when in the show office.
     Install sneeze guards in front of commonly used point-of-sale or guest service stations.
     Clean and disinfect all tack, equipment, and surfaces that others may come in contact with or handle frequently. This includes golf carts, tack trunks, reins, halters, lead ropes, and other common show items.
     Maintain at least six feet of physical distance in the show ring.
     Encourage competitors, trainers, riders, grooms, owners, competition staff, and parents
    to leave as expeditiously as possible after their competition.
     Limit those on the show grounds to competitors, trainers, riders, grooms, owners, competition staff, and parents or other adults attending as a minor’s guardian. No spectators, extended family, or friends should be allowed on competition grounds.
     Include current COVID-19 guidelines in the show’s protocols and entry procedures.
     Require attendees to keep dogs under control and confined or leashed at all times. Dogs can potentially come in contact with multiple people if loose on competition grounds. They must be confined and/or leashed.
     Require all current entry agreements and addendums that cover COVID-19 to be signed prior to entry to the grounds.

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  • kt
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    Originally posted by MHM View Post
    I don’t know what the Virginia governor‘s mandate says specifically about masks, but the USEF guidelines do not require a mask to be worn at all times. They call for a mask to be worn when there is a possibility to be within 6 feet of another person.

    So somebody who is grazing a horse in the middle of a field, or unloading a horse in the ship in parking lot, or giving a horse a bath at a wash rack would not be required to have a mask on unless someone else is nearby.

    Individual shows may apply tighter requirements as they see fit, but the USEF guidelines allow for some leeway on the use of masks.

    From the USEF website:

    Requirement: Face masks/face coverings must be worn whenever you have the possibility of being within six feet of another person (including members of your own household), except when mounted on a horse or seated in a horse-drawn carriage or cart. Please do your part and wear your face mask/face covering as required.
    • Because you cannot predict when another person may be within six feet of you, it is best to keep your face mask/face covering with you at all times while on competition grounds, including those times when you are going to an area where you may be alone or at a greater distance than six feet from another person. This will ensure that you are able to apply your face mask/face covering prior to being within six feet of another person.
    • Make sure you are wearing your face mask/face covering prior to entering competition areas where you are likely to be near other people, including areas such as the in-gate, arena, schooling area, restroom, food stand, show office, vendors, stabling, etc.
    • If you become hot while wearing your face mask/face covering, move to a location where you are alone or at a distance greater than six feet from another person (and preferably 12 feet or more), and lower or drop one side of your face mask/face covering to cool off.
    • If an official, competition organizer or member of the organizer’s team requires you to don a face mask/face covering, you must comply. The competition organizer can impose more stringent requirements than those contained in the Plan.

    Looks like Virginia’s mask mandate is for public indoor areas.

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  • MHM
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    Originally posted by 2bayboys View Post

    So.....
    people should just ignore the VA Governor’s mandate for wearing a mask and the USEF rules for wearing a mask because they don’t feel like it?
    I don’t know what the Virginia governor‘s mandate says specifically about masks, but the USEF guidelines do not require a mask to be worn at all times. They call for a mask to be worn when there is a possibility to be within 6 feet of another person.

    So somebody who is grazing a horse in the middle of a field, or unloading a horse in the ship in parking lot, or giving a horse a bath at a wash rack would not be required to have a mask on unless someone else is nearby.

    Individual shows may apply tighter requirements as they see fit, but the USEF guidelines allow for some leeway on the use of masks.

    From the USEF website:

    Requirement: Face masks/face coverings must be worn whenever you have the possibility of being within six feet of another person (including members of your own household), except when mounted on a horse or seated in a horse-drawn carriage or cart. Please do your part and wear your face mask/face covering as required.
    • Because you cannot predict when another person may be within six feet of you, it is best to keep your face mask/face covering with you at all times while on competition grounds, including those times when you are going to an area where you may be alone or at a greater distance than six feet from another person. This will ensure that you are able to apply your face mask/face covering prior to being within six feet of another person.
    • Make sure you are wearing your face mask/face covering prior to entering competition areas where you are likely to be near other people, including areas such as the in-gate, arena, schooling area, restroom, food stand, show office, vendors, stabling, etc.
    • If you become hot while wearing your face mask/face covering, move to a location where you are alone or at a distance greater than six feet from another person (and preferably 12 feet or more), and lower or drop one side of your face mask/face covering to cool off.
    • If an official, competition organizer or member of the organizer’s team requires you to don a face mask/face covering, you must comply. The competition organizer can impose more stringent requirements than those contained in the Plan.


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