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  • ladyj79
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    Originally posted by Bobby7 View Post
    And yet people are still buying horses from him. On another note Karl Cook’s Instagram post about horse shows had a very interesting statement about how horses should be treated, loved it!
    I don't know that actual people are buying horses from him, but select people are funding his career, and it would be lovely if dumpster fires would stop funding dumpster fires. But then how could they all hang out with the beautiful people?? (man, what happened to my eye roll emoticon?)

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  • meupatdoes
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    Originally posted by Mara View Post

    Posters on Diva seem to think it’s more personal than business. Jealousy and vengeance are the prime motivators for the whistleblower. A tale as old as time, and given what’s been witnessed of her behavior, not at all difficult to believe.
    If it's clear that she knew all along her horses were going in the ring like this, then she and every horse she owns should get a life time ban as well. Or, ok, if that's harsh, a ten year suspension.

    See how much they're worth then.

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  • Bobby7
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    And yet people are still buying horses from him. On another note Karl Cook’s Instagram post about horse shows had a very interesting statement about how horses should be treated, loved it!

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  • skip99
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    Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
    Shunning is a sadly underemployed tool in the horse 8ndustry, except when it comes to speaking out about abuse. Definitely those people are shunned.
    Yea, I should say "an absolute" shame he can continue to participate in the sport as usual.

    The fact that people in our sport, who negatively impact the welfare of children and/or horses, are enabled is just incredibly sad.

    I'm a no one in the industry, but how venues, vendors, and professionals react to these situations determines who I spend my dollars with.

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  • ladyj79
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    It's a shame cause he publicly treated animals like garbage before this electrocuting horses thing came out, he should never be receiving any accolades, social media or otherwise.


    Shunning is a sadly underemployed tool in the horse 8ndustry, except when it comes to speaking out about abuse. Definitely those people are shunned.

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  • skip99
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    Originally posted by vxf111 View Post

    Well maybe it’s because he’s caused renewed interest in old horse show photos (of him) /s
    I mean he did win the class today, but kind of a shame that he can continue to show business as usual and get social media kudos for it.

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  • vxf111
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    Originally posted by skip99 View Post
    The photographer at Princeton just congratulated him via FB post on his win today. 🙄 *eye roll*
    Well maybe it’s because he’s caused renewed interest in old horse show photos (of him) /s

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  • skip99
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    The photographer at Princeton just congratulated him via FB post on his win today. 🙄 *eye roll*

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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by Bobby7 View Post
    How do you think his auctions will do after all this bad press?
    I don't think they were a success to begin with, so quite possibly downhill from there.

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  • Bobby7
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    How do you think his auctions will do after all this bad press?

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  • fourfillies
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    Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

    I would not call andy a big name trainer. I would call him a middling pro rider who has found...people. that's the word I will choose, people to buy him horses and fund his hit or miss professional career.


    This.

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  • ladyj79
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    Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post
    Why does a BNT use these for years?
    I would not call andy a big name trainer. I would call him a middling pro rider who has found...people. that's the word I will choose, people to buy him horses and fund his hit or miss professional career.



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  • SuzieQNutter
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    Why does a BNT use these for years?

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  • Willesdon
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    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
    .... I am just really curious how one can get away with having electronics that require wires being run all over and no one noticed before some angry X pointed it out.
    I'm not in the USA, so everyone can tell me off and kick me around, but from my outsider view there are many reasons:

    a) no one wants to offend anyone,
    b) no one dares upset a Big Name,
    c) show organisers and USEF are worried about loosing money,
    d) individuals and organisers are worried about trial by public opinion,
    e) individuals and organisers are worried about law suits,
    f) *fame* and *success* are too often equated with, or in practice trump, personal integrity and ethical behaviour,
    g) a totally weird suspension of normal values and judgement because *horses* are involved.

    And most telling, a persistent desire within the American equestrian media to remain safely hidden behind rose tinted spectacles. I suspect that is why the article that lead to the FEI investigation was printed in a French magazine.

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  • staceymc
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    Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
    Does anyone unaffiliated with Kocher think the allegations are likely false? Just curious. I am not really in the loop but I don't see a tremendous number of people rallying to his defense aside from him, his family, and his current clients.
    Because apparently he wasn’t shy about telling friends/other riders he was doing it. From what I understand it wasn’t some big secret he tried to keep quiet about. Not very smart.

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  • trubandloki
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    I do look forward to hearing some of the evidence.... I am just really curious how one can get away with having electronics that require wires being run all over and no one noticed before some angry X pointed it out.

    Not defending him at all, that is for sure.

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  • vxf111
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    Does anyone unaffiliated with Kocher think the allegations are likely false? Just curious. I am not really in the loop but I don't see a tremendous number of people rallying to his defense aside from him, his family, and his current clients.

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  • atl_hunter
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    Originally posted by Happyhack View Post
    I read originally that he said the photos had been manipulated.
    This is why people have careers in digital imaging forensics. Experts absolutely can tell if a file has been edited. There are even software programs with algorithms designed to identify modified digital images. So, all FEI has to do is turn over the photos to a forensic specialist.

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  • Willesdon
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    I can not see the FEI, an international governing body, wasting time and money investigating an unsubstantiated accusation.

    This has a similar vibe to Safe Sport where so-and-so [insert name of choice] could not possibly be a child abuser and sexual predator because they are *famous* and ride horses.

    It wasn't so long ago that well known riders were killing their horses to defraud insurence companies.

    I think it is concerning that USEF is trotting along behind the FEI rather than enforcing its own rules more effectively, sooner.

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  • Happyhack
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    If he really has used these awful spurs then it doesnt matter if the whistleblower decided to report on him simply out of revenge etc . I read originally that he said the photos had been manipulated. How can this be? First of all, Grand Prix in France say they did their own research and found photos of him with the black button and the wires up his sleeves riding dffrerent horses on 5 different occasions in 2018. Grapd Prix said these photos all came direct from two professional agencies. Horsesport.com then found a photo from Toronto last year from a third photographer. COTH then found a photo from Kentucky in 2019 which they sourced direct from a fourth photographer. I've also seen various posts on FB from a fifth photographer called Tom saying he has found the black button in his own photos from 2017, 2018 and 2019 and has sent to them the investigators. So that's five totally unrelated photographers, all with incriminating photos spanning three years. They can't all be in on the same "conspiracy!"

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