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Andrew Kocher - electrical spurs?

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    Originally posted by Xctrygirl View Post
    The next thing we know he'll try to resurrect his stature by promoting Summit Joint Injections!!

    Em
    Summit is not used interarticularly nor is it marketed as such.
    The thing about smart people, is they look like crazy people, to dumb people.

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      Originally posted by Jumphigh83 View Post

      Summit is not used interarticularly nor is it marketed as such.
      The name of the company is "Summit Joint".
      Only two emotions belong in the saddle: One is a sense of humor. The other is patience.

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        Summit Joint is given via an IM (intramuscular) injection. And that's how they refer to it in their marketing literature. Xctrygirl never said it was an interarticular injection.
        Last edited by TBLover; Jul. 9, 2020, 11:07 AM. Reason: to correct typo

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          Originally posted by TKR View Post
          Where is Andrew Kocher now - what stable or whose horses is he riding and abusing? Do you think they know and just don't care?
          He's on the Tuerk's farm in Charlottesville, VA. He's showing at HITS Culpeper.

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            Originally posted by bugsynskeeter View Post

            The name of the company is "Summit Joint".
            They've actually re-branded for the 1083757th time to "Summit Performance Products" for what it's worth. They're expanding into magikal topical ointments and other potions now

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              Originally posted by snaffle1987 View Post

              the sad part is she is likely ousting him because of a business deal gone sour. Not because of any care in the world for the welfare of the animals in question here. She obviously had no problem with his actions riding her horses when the business deal was sparkling.
              Posters on Diva seem to think it’s more personal than business. Jealousy and vengeance are the prime motivators for the whistleblower. A tale as old as time, and given what’s been witnessed of her behavior, not at all difficult to believe.

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                Except he's a garbage bag. Whether his former employer has reason to talk about how he's a garbage bag has little to do with him being a garbage bag. Cause he's garbage.
                Let me apologize in advance.

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                  Originally posted by Mara View Post

                  Posters on Diva seem to think it’s more personal than business. Jealousy and vengeance are the prime motivators for the whistleblower. A tale as old as time, and given what’s been witnessed of her behavior, not at all difficult to believe.
                  At least, she will have done something right and useful for once.
                  ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                  Originally posted by LauraKY
                  I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.

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                    If this Erica girl took the photo she knew he was doing it. Why did she wait to out him and how many times did she see him use it and do nothing? My thoughts are that she wouldn’t have, but there was a falling out between them and then she took revenge and posted. In my opinion she is just as culpable as he is.

                    He is still under investigation, so at the moment it has not been proven, but it looks bad.

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                      So she's also garbage for bankrolling him, but hey, good on her, as Alibi said, for calling out a trashbag who uses horses like kleenex.
                      Let me apologize in advance.

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                        Unless you are a long distance owner, how can you be a client at shows with a trainer and NOT realize he's got a rig like that on? That seems incredible to me. I can tell you what color sports bra my trainer has on. There's no way some of that wasn't visible when he tacked up, in the warmup ring, when he came out after a round, etc. Not to mention it must have been around in his tack setup the way your spurs and crops are around. Unless he was wearing that 24/7 with a million layers and only changing back at the hotel-- people affiliated with him HAD to have known. The whole thing is rotten.
                        ~Veronica
                        "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
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                          I was listening to the latest plaidcast today (Plaid Horse podcast) and they were talking about the unfortunate timing of putting him on the cover just before the electrical spurs came out. Which, ok, sure, but even before this there have been serious doubts about him as a horseman, no?

                          The magazine does say they're a 'horse show magazine' (they don't say they're a horsemanship magazine) so I guess that's on me for thinking they would take that into more consideration.

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                            Originally posted by ti89 View Post
                            I was listening to the latest plaidcast today (Plaid Horse podcast) and they were talking about the unfortunate timing of putting him on the cover just before the electrical spurs came out. Which, ok, sure, but even before this there have been serious doubts about him as a horseman, no?

                            The magazine does say they're a 'horse show magazine' (they don't say they're a horsemanship magazine) so I guess that's on me for thinking they would take that into more consideration.
                            I was starting to get some respect for the Plaid Horse but, bw this and the Devin Ryan article, any new respect is now gone.
                            The Evil Chem Prof

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                              I think all of this just underlines, once again, that much of the H/J world is insular and insulated from the rest of society. There are many times I've read something from Plaid Horse or some of the other online publications and been mildly/extremely appalled at the lack of understanding of the world outside the bubble.

                              ETA: One small sidenote: earlier in the thread someone was saying that there isn't ever a good reason for spur rubs. I agree with this in most cases, but I have owned a thin-skinned grey and bay, and a friend had one, too. All three of these horses could and would get rubs from ANYTHING, including a spurless boot, especially in hot weather. My friend has tiny little legs and one of her boots gave her mare terrible rubs out of the blue one day for no apparent reason. My grey got rubs if anything touched him; I had sheepskin-lined everything (halter, bridle, boots), and he would still get rubs. I'm not trying to explain away riders who clearly are spurring too much, but some of the really thin-skinned horses can get rubs very easily.
                              You can take a line and say it isn't straight- but that won't change its shape. Jets to Brazil

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                                I noticed the Plaid Horse article was written by his PR rep.

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                                  God the mental damage done to these horses is unforgivable and breaks my heart. I had a super duper TB (been very successful in his day). Hottish to ride but very sweet.

                                  I was leading him down from my arena and he heard an electric bug zapper go off on the patio - he was GONE. Never seen anything like it - not a jump and a spook but utter terror. Broke the bridle and bit if I recall. Left huge marks on the ground where he dug in with his shoes and GONE to the very back of the 30 acre property. By the time I fetched a halter and lead shank and ran out to him he was lathered heat to foot and shaking like a leaf. Took ages to calm down and dry him out. He reacted to even the sound of velcro boots and gloves being opened for a few weeks after that bug zapper. He had NOT forgotten about being zapped.

                                  I then found out about the zapping that jockeys use as they break from the gate. I had no idea at all. It sickens me to my very soul. Someone who does that to an animal should never be allowed near any animal ever again.

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                                    Originally posted by Willy Von Whompers View Post
                                    I then found out about the zapping that jockeys use as they break from the gate. I had no idea at all. It sickens me to my very soul. Someone who does that to an animal should never be allowed near any animal ever again.
                                    Where did you "find out" that all jockeys (as you suggest) "zap" horses as they break for the gate??!! That is simply NOT true. I get very frustrated when myths are spread as facts. Some jocks have been caught with buzzers they mainly use in the stretch for that final push - but they are the extreme minority and get busted for it.

                                    I also had a TB explode and bolt from hearing a bug zapper next door. He had never been in training or at the track or had any kind of device used on him. He had the same reaction to a hot wire snapping/zapping - so may have gotten his nose too close to one in the past... and had a good memory.

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                                      Originally posted by hunter4126 View Post
                                      I noticed the Plaid Horse article was written by his PR rep.
                                      JoUrnAliZm!
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                                        Originally posted by smoofox View Post

                                        Where did you "find out" that all jockeys (as you suggest) "zap" horses as they break for the gate??!! That is simply NOT true. I get very frustrated when myths are spread as facts. Some jocks have been caught with buzzers they mainly use in the stretch for that final push - but they are the extreme minority and get busted for it.

                                        I also had a TB explode and bolt from hearing a bug zapper next door. He had never been in training or at the track or had any kind of device used on him. He had the same reaction to a hot wire snapping/zapping - so may have gotten his nose too close to one in the past... and had a good memory.
                                        Yeah, mine (OTTB) learned this lesson the hard way, by putting his head over the fence when I was undoing the gate and touching the ring on his halter to it. He now has a healthy fear of electric wire and that popping noise. But he pretty clearly didn't before.

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                                          Originally posted by Highflyer View Post

                                          Yeah, mine (OTTB) learned this lesson the hard way, by putting his head over the fence when I was undoing the gate and touching the ring on his halter to it. He now has a healthy fear of electric wire and that popping noise. But he pretty clearly didn't before.
                                          Forget the horse I react if I stand on a stick and it makes the same sound.
                                          It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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