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    It will probably be some time, assuming the FEI is satisfied they have enough evidence, before the Tribunal even takes up the matter.

    I would guess a year or more before the situation is resolved. They move slowly but they have excellent resources.

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      Originally posted by Rumorhasit93 View Post
      Who was complacent in all of this? Why didn’t the grooms speak up? Wonder if any of them would/could speak up now if it comes to a “trial”.
      There’s one « groom », a man who said to have taken care of his horses at Spruce last year, and that he, as an experienced trainer/rider/groom, haven’t seen anything.

      ...
      ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

      Originally posted by LauraKY
      I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.

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        From bits and pieces I've seen, I think the Eye Candy Jumpers lady (Erica?) may be involved here. Which is interesting, after the Spruce Meadows debacle and her tone deaf support of him and weird, laughy-mocky videos of her horses struggling Apparently they have parted ways and she has posted pictures of the device, and said some things online (I have not seen them personally, but seen this mentioned multiple times by others... just full disclosure that this may simply be rumor)
        "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

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          Originally posted by caffeinated View Post
          From bits and pieces I've seen, I think the Eye Candy Jumpers lady (Erica?) may be involved here. Which is interesting, after the Spruce Meadows debacle and her tone deaf support of him and weird, laughy-mocky videos of her horses struggling Apparently they have parted ways and she has posted pictures of the device, and said some things online (I have not seen them personally, but seen this mentioned multiple times by others... just full disclosure that this may simply be rumor)
          The video of device attached with the picture of him using it at spruce came directly from her - so no doubt she’s the source that reported. Not to mention she directly told one of his supports (and a trainer from my area) that she has more pictures and evidence to “end him”.
          www.thetexasequestrian.com

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            Originally posted by Sticky Situation View Post
            How does this guy have owners still willing to keep horses with him?
            Just like owners who stay with trainers who routinely drug their horses. THEY DON'T CARE.

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              Originally posted by Rumorhasit93 View Post
              I’d love to rally together and email his sponsors. I know Butet & Eskadron are two. All of them are listed on his website.
              Just a heads up that sometimes sponsors are no longer supporting riders, but the riders leave the sponsor's logo on their website.
              Or the sponsors never did support the rider, but the rider uses their logo anyway.

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                that seems like a lot to go thru to get dressed to ride... its' disturbing that this sort of rig even came up.. makes one wonder who else might be using such a thing.. SMH

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                  It certainly is one explanation for the frantic behavior some of his horses exhibit in the ring.

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                    I don’t think the FEI will do anything, it’s all hearsay. I think they would have to catch him red-handed. I’m sure they’ll be very scrutinizing from this day forward though.

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                      Originally posted by Bobby7 View Post
                      I don’t think the FEI will do anything, it’s all hearsay. I think they would have to catch him red-handed. I’m sure they’ll be very scrutinizing from this day forward though.
                      Well, not all hearsay. There are photos and he will have to explain that gear.

                      You may be right. I've given up on trying to predict what the FEI will do, but they are thorough and they've heard every excuse in the book.

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                        Originally posted by SonnysMom View Post
                        Who comes up with these things?
                        Somebody 40 years ago when they finally started shrinking battery size, controller went in your pocket with a wire down rider leg way back. No idea how the charge would be activated these days but somebody has figured it out.. Also hotwire across the top of rails probably since it was invented but personally seen since the the early 60s...by some often cited as “masters”.
                        Heard of, but never seen “ juiced” crops/whips and some other equipment in various other disciplines to “ enhance” performance when nobody is looking....unless they can figure out a way to conceal it in public.

                        Nothing is really new, just adapted as technology advances. Stuff like that has been around forever. Somebody is always about “anything to get them sold“ and/or “ win at any and all costs”. Its the underbelly of the business, those people are a minority but always there. Under the rocks. In all breeds and disciplines.


                        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                          Where is Andrew Kocher now - what stable or whose horses is he riding and abusing? Do you think they know and just don't care?

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                            I’m seeing a rider boot check in the future. Check their spurs and crop when the horse gets their boots and bit checked. Doesn’t stop it from happening at home but it would be something.

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                              Originally posted by TKR View Post
                              Where is Andrew Kocher now - what stable or whose horses is he riding and abusing? Do you think they know and just don't care?
                              His own and he has a few backers that still thinks he hung the moon.
                              If you want to know exactly where he is, he's been showing in Culpeper. Rumors are he can't get into NY because they aren't accepting some states as entries, but I don't know how much of that is actually true vs Culpeper is less eyes on him.
                              www.thetexasequestrian.com

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                                Originally posted by TKR View Post
                                Where is Andrew Kocher now - what stable or whose horses is he riding and abusing? Do you think they know and just don't care?
                                As long as it wins or gets sold They. Don't. Care. Or they get snowed by a glib talking con man ( or woman).
                                When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                  Interesting article outlining the procedures of an FEI tribunal.
                                  https://horsesport.com/cuckson-repor...-happens-next/

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                                    Originally posted by Belmont View Post

                                    The video of device attached with the picture of him using it at spruce came directly from her - so no doubt she’s the source that reported. Not to mention she directly told one of his supports (and a trainer from my area) that she has more pictures and evidence to “end him”.
                                    the sad part is she is likely ousting him because of a business deal gone sour. Not because of any care in the world for the welfare of the animals in question here. She obviously had no problem with his actions riding her horses when the business deal was sparkling.

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                                      As I understand it, it was a FRENCH equestrian magazine that published the story and provided pictures and it was as a result of this French article that the FEI has action.
                                      "Good young horses are bred, but good advanced horses are trained" Sam Griffiths

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                                        Originally posted by Willesdon View Post
                                        As I understand it, it was a FRENCH equestrian magazine that published the story and provided pictures and it was as a result of this French article that the FEI has action.
                                        From the article in the link Cinderella posted:

                                        We now know that ECIU was contacted first by the whistleblower, who then went to Grand Prix with information. (Why a French news outlet was chosen in favor of a North American one, I don’t know.)

                                        Link to ECIU: https://inside.fei.org/fei/about-fei...ance/integrity

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                                          The next thing we know he'll try to resurrect his stature by promoting Summit Joint Injections!!

                                          Em
                                          "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

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