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    #81
    Why haven't US Equestrian said anything? Do they have to wait for FEI? US Equestrian looks really bad for selecting people like Kocker and Ryan. Shouldn't you stay away from people who have even a faint whiff of scandal? Didn't GM teach them anything?

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      #82
      Originally posted by atl_hunter View Post

      Crazy question/thought on this. Is the horse considered an athlete at the Olympics? It's a competitor, so why not? And if it is an athlete, does the horse not qualify for protection under the SafeSport code? The equine athlete should benefit from the same protection as the human athlete. Am I wrong here? This man is participating in show jumping, which is an Olympic sport, so it would make sense that he abused an athlete. It's not like Andy can jump around a course on foot. I do wonder if there is a little loophole here that could be applied...

      "The U.S. Center for SafeSport was created to address the issue of abuse in sport. The Center works with National Governing Bodies, including US Equestrian, to enforce the SafeSport Code and the Federal Safe Sport Act. The policies in both the Code and Federal Law are aimed at protecting athletes from harm and abuse and apply to all Olympic and amateur sporting disciplines."
      Spruce meadows generally ask (tell) riders like that to not come back! And shocker Andy Kocher was not at spruce at the masters!!!!! There was a rider here quite a few years ago that had a terrible round in the derby and he was told he couldn’t show at Spruce again (turned out he was also a cocaine smuggler and into many disgusting things with animals)...he used to post on here and a few of us outed him after seeing him actually ride in person and knowing full well he “wasn’t all that and a bag of chips”!
      Breast cancer survivor!

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        #83
        eclipse when is the zoom happy hour where you tell THAT story because I will be ready with a bottle of wine and all the popcorn I can find

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          #84
          Originally posted by eclipse View Post

          Spruce meadows generally ask (tell) riders like that to not come back! And shocker Andy Kocher was not at spruce at the masters!!!!! There was a rider here quite a few years ago that had a terrible round in the derby and he was told he couldn’t show at Spruce again (turned out he was also a cocaine smuggler and into many disgusting things with animals)...he used to post on here and a few of us outed him after seeing him actually ride in person and knowing full well he “wasn’t all that and a bag of chips”!
          I'm glad someone has a clue and didn't invite him back after that utter sh*tshow.

          I do think it will be interesting to watch this one and see how the federations choose to handle this situation. It will speak volumes. I've not been super impressed up to this point and I honestly don't believe the FEI takes abuse that seriously. We shall see.

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            #85
            [QUOTE=Cocorona;n10681412]eclipse when is the zoom happy hour where you tell THAT story because I will be ready with a bottle of wine and all the popcorn I can find[


            if you really want to go this rabbit hole....but be warned eye bleach WILL be needed! his username was exitpont, the rest....well you’ll figure it out....it left us all, well, blech.....


            https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/f...nk-it-is/page2
            Breast cancer survivor!

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              #86

              Originally posted by eclipse View Post

              Spruce meadows generally ask (tell) riders like that to not come back! And shocker Andy Kocher was not at spruce at the masters!!!!! There was a rider here quite a few years ago that had a terrible round in the derby and he was told he couldn’t show at Spruce again (turned out he was also a cocaine smuggler and into many disgusting things with animals)...he used to post on here and a few of us outed him after seeing him actually ride in person and knowing full well he “wasn’t all that and a bag of chips”!
              Originally posted by Cocorona View Post
              eclipse when is the zoom happy hour where you tell THAT story because I will be ready with a bottle of wine and all the popcorn I can find
              Do a search on here for Doug Spink and a stallion named Capone I. Lots will come up. Here is one of the news stories. https://horseauthority.co/doug-spink...nimal-cruelty/ Ironically, once Doug was out of the picture, there has been much controversy over the years in regards to Capone I, allegedly switched semen and incorrect foal DNA. That has been its own soap opera which you can also read on various threads on the COTH bulletin board. That poor stallion has been through the wringer!

              Both eclipse and myself do not live very far from Spruce Meadows. They definitely have a few of their own moral rules if you want to set foot on the property. I still remember when Spruce Meadows banned Eric Lamaze after he was caught the second time for cocaine use. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/disgr...adows-1.218563
              www.DaventryEquestrian.com
              Home of Welsh Cob stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
              Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness
              www.EquineAppraisers.com

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                #87
                I think it has been removed? It wouldn’t play.
                Always be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Then always be Batman.

                The Grove at Five Points

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by ACMEeventing View Post
                  I think it has been removed? It wouldn’t play.
                  He referred to Capone I as his "lover." That tells you everything you need to know.
                  "Whether you think you can or think you can't, you are right." -Henry Ford

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                    #89
                    Doug Spinks' mother was wealthy and lived in PA or somewhere in the NE and that's where his money came from. He was involved in a number of different sports - professing to be tops in all. He had a farm where he kept a number of animals and had disgusting men over for their use. He had Capone I and a grey stallion, whose name I cannot recall and not sure what happened to him. Both were confiscated but I think Corrine Super had a time and a legal battle recovering Capone from Doug who said he owned the stallion. He served time but is out - not sure what he's doing but he is the worst of the worst. Some others were arrested at his farm for animal abuse including a man who came from England. Doug was a real know it all.

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                      #90
                      [QUOTE=eclipse;n10681435]
                      Originally posted by Cocorona View Post
                      eclipse when is the zoom happy hour where you tell THAT story because I will be ready with a bottle of wine and all the popcorn I can find[


                      if you really want to go this rabbit hole....but be warned eye bleach WILL be needed! his username was exitpont, the rest....well you’ll figure it out....it left us all, well, blech.....


                      https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/f...nk-it-is/page2
                      Not to get off topic, but per your suggestion I read this. I think his comments were deleted, though? Anyway, Capone came to my barn for a week or so because he needed to layover somewhere before going to the next show. I didn’t get to ride him, but I groomed him. Wow, never knew he was abused! So tragic.

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                        #91
                        Originally posted by Tiramit View Post

                        He referred to Capone I as his "lover." That tells you everything you need to know.
                        Ew.

                        I was actually referring to the jump video though
                        Always be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Then always be Batman.

                        The Grove at Five Points

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                          #92
                          Doug claimed to have contracted cancer after his last prison stint a few years back, for some trouble he got himself into, and supposedly passed away in late January of this year. He also claimed to have been shot and needed reconstructive surgery on one of his legs due to "Police Brutality". Whether or not he's actually dead is anyone's guess, but his "partner" made the announcement on social media and continues to defend him, saying that everything negative that he was known for was made up by jealous people to hurt him. Yes, he's a delusional and deranged sex-positive "obsessed animal lover" like Doug was, so it's to be expected.
                          Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                            #93
                            Just to bring this back a bit on topic, while I don’t mind exposing all the other disgusting offenders, a show photographer that I know well just sent pictures of AK to the FEI because there were good shots of his handheld device... from last year, 2019 in Bromont.

                            So I guess the investigation won’t be limited to the 2018 period.
                            ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                            Originally posted by LauraKY
                            I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.

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                              #94
                              Originally posted by BayAreaRider View Post
                              Why haven't US Equestrian said anything? Do they have to wait for FEI? US Equestrian looks really bad for selecting people like Kocker and Ryan. Shouldn't you stay away from people who have even a faint whiff of scandal? Didn't GM teach them anything?
                              They have. Last few paragraphs here: https://www.chronofhorse.com/article...ctrified-spurs

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                                #95
                                Originally posted by ACMEeventing View Post

                                Ew.

                                I was actually referring to the jump video though
                                Oops! My mistake. So sorry to have put that story in your head.
                                "Whether you think you can or think you can't, you are right." -Henry Ford

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                                  #96
                                  Originally posted by alibi_18 View Post
                                  Just to bring this back a bit on topic, while I don’t mind exposing all the other disgusting offenders, a show photographer that I know well just sent pictures of AK to the FEI because there were good shots of his handheld device... from last year, 2019 in Bromont.

                                  So I guess the investigation won’t be limited to the 2018 period.
                                  I examined several high-resolution images of his jumping that were used in media and saw physical indications of a wire - bulge - running from the front of his boot, into his breeches - disguised as a seam - and up into his shirt/jacket.
                                  Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                                    #97
                                    Originally posted by LexInVA View Post

                                    I examined several high-resolution images of his jumping that were used in media and saw physical indications of a wire - bulge - running from the front of his boot, into his breeches - disguised as a seam - and up into his shirt/jacket.
                                    These were all in the article linked in the OP.
                                    *****
                                    You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

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                                      #98
                                      Originally posted by LexInVA View Post

                                      I examined several high-resolution images of his jumping that were used in media and saw physical indications of a wire - bulge - running from the front of his boot, into his breeches - disguised as a seam - and up into his shirt/jacket.
                                      Makes you wonder who the seamstress (or man version) was who put it in there? Unless he was able to do it himself. I wouldn’t touch my $400 breeches with seam-rippers or a machine, personally...

                                      Who was complacent in all of this? Why didn’t the grooms speak up? Wonder if any of them would/could speak up now if it comes to a “trial”.

                                      Regardless, I Hope justice is served & these horses are given justice as well.

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                                        #99
                                        https://www.chronofhorse.com/article...Vj9a9aOq_v2E08

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                                          The FEI tribunal is very thorough. This will take awhile. He'll have a very difficult time getting them to buy any excuse he makes for that gear, that's for sure.

                                          They won't care who reported him either, even if they did it out of spite.

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