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    Confidence EQ?

    Has anyone used this product? And did you get favorable results? Thx.
    Last edited by horsegurl; May. 30, 2020, 08:58 PM.
    My treasures do not chink, nor glitter. They carry me to great heights, they gleam in the sun, and they neigh in the night. That is my life, at the end of the day.

    #2
    Originally posted by horsegurl View Post
    Well, if you're supposed to enjoy the journey this time period has given me the chance to enjoy the journey! I hope this finds every reader well, and safe, and healthy. Ready for some horse shows to get started again, I have been pretty bored, but have gotten to know my mare much better. She is happy on regumate, and a lot of her errant spooking I would say was Behavior she learned she could get away with. The vet says her eyes are fine. Have any of you used the pheromone based product called Confidence EQ to help with anxiety? How are your results? The last little bit of challenge I have left with her, is the horse show jumps. She'll jump plain rails, or plain rails with flowers, all day long and not take a look. But get her in our Arena where we have a horse show course setup, and she gets really worried. Height is not a problem and she only needs to do three foot but she has scope for the three six or more. It's something about the look of the jumps. With the gates, or the boxes and the flowers and the rails seem more than she can visually handle.
    TOO much pressure is being applied too soon.

    At the shows take her down to 1 foot. If need be take her lower. She is not ready to move up until she is relaxed at those heights.
    It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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      #3
      Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post

      TOO much pressure is being applied too soon.

      At the shows take her down to 1 foot. If need be take her lower. She is not ready to move up until she is relaxed at those heights.
      To be clearer.......the jumps are at home, not at a horse show. And they are @ 2" to 2'3. Height is not a problem with plain rails.
      My treasures do not chink, nor glitter. They carry me to great heights, they gleam in the sun, and they neigh in the night. That is my life, at the end of the day.

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        #4
        Originally posted by horsegurl View Post

        To be clearer.......the jumps are at home, not at a horse show. And they are @ 2" to 2'3. Height is not a problem with plain rails.
        It doesn't matter where you are. Lower the height with the filled jumps, banners, streamers etc. until relaxed before putting jumps up instead of looking for products to give orally, topically, nasally or injected.

        This is called listening to your horse and training. You do not dictate putting the jumps up until the horse is ready, not because you are ready.

        You can still train over the higher plain jumps.
        It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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          #5
          Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post

          It doesn't matter where you are. Lower the height with the filled jumps, banners, streamers etc. until relaxed before putting jumps up instead of looking for products to give orally, topically, nasally or injected.

          This is called listening to your horse and training. You do not dictate putting the jumps up until the horse is ready, not because you are ready.

          You can still train over the higher plain jumps.
          1. You don't get it. Filled jumps are low. 2. Just looking for feedback on product.
          My treasures do not chink, nor glitter. They carry me to great heights, they gleam in the sun, and they neigh in the night. That is my life, at the end of the day.

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            #6
            You could possibly reach out to a sponsored rider- Liz Halliday Sharpe is one. I have some samples I’ve been hoping to use, but haven’t tried them yet to give an opinion- no horse shows lately...

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              #7
              Originally posted by horsegurl View Post

              1. You don't get it. Filled jumps are low. 2. Just looking for feedback on product.

              2’-2’3 is not as low as they can go. People are suggesting you drop it to crossrails or even ground poles with filler. Heck, you can trot or canter over just flower boxes with some flowers in them.

              No show legal product is going to fix a horse being mentally unready for a particular question. Only appropriate exposure and practice.

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                #8
                Originally posted by alternate_universe View Post


                2’-2’3 is not as low as they can go. People are suggesting you drop it to crossrails or even ground poles with filler. Heck, you can trot or canter over just flower boxes with some flowers in them.

                No show legal product is going to fix a horse being mentally unready for a particular question. Only appropriate exposure and practice.
                My treasures do not chink, nor glitter. They carry me to great heights, they gleam in the sun, and they neigh in the night. That is my life, at the end of the day.

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                  #9
                  If you read back through you will read where I said she already does the plain rails with flower boxes under them that doesn't bother her. There is no sense in sending her over the fill repeatedly, if she's going to have anxiety about it and stress out. If I can give her a little help and that would be a much better experience for her. Just looking for product reviews thank you.
                  My treasures do not chink, nor glitter. They carry me to great heights, they gleam in the sun, and they neigh in the night. That is my life, at the end of the day.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by horsegurl View Post
                    If you read back through you will read where I said she already does the plain rails with flower boxes under them that doesn't bother her. There is no sense in sending her over the fill repeatedly, if she's going to have anxiety about it and stress out. If I can give her a little help and that would be a much better experience for her. Just looking for product reviews thank you.
                    I’m afraid I’m not understanding the problem then. In your OP you also mention gates and boxes? If she’s stopping/spooking at those then she needs more schooling and exposure to them.

                    What kind of product are you imaging is going to fix this? It’s one thing if she was behaving in an erratic, overly sensitive manner in all locations (ex: home and at shows). But you are saying this is only a problem in your arena at home if I am understanding your OP correctly. If the behavior is only happening in one place it seems unlikely to be an internal issue and more likely the result of something specific to that location or those jump materials.

                    Do you have a trainer? Are they pushing for a medical fix?

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                      #11
                      What the horse needs is confidence. Not confidence in a product. Confidence in the rider. Confidence in what they are being asked to do.

                      This comes from correct training, not drilling.
                      It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                        #12
                        The horse could be very overwhelmed by the environment and the product could help her focus more. There is no harm in her asking about a product that touts itself to help this for horses.

                        she asked for feedback on a product- no harm no foul. She did not ask for training tips.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by TXnGA View Post
                          The horse could be very overwhelmed by the environment and the product could help her focus more. There is no harm in her asking about a product that touts itself to help this for horses.

                          she asked for feedback on a product- no harm no foul. She did not ask for training tips.
                          That is the problem. The horse is overwhelmed at home. If the OP wants to show this horse at some point in time, they will have to train the horse to be confident at home.

                          The medication/ calming supplement route will not be successful because every show will be a new environment for the horse. Unless the OP is willing to give substances before every show, this is not the way forward.

                          Giving the horse drugs or supplements to affect its behavior in a class is against the rules, as well as being lousy horsemanship.

                          Is there no one who is able to take the time to work with the horse to gain its confidence or is this just a matter of expediency for the rider?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by TXnGA View Post
                            The horse could be very overwhelmed by the environment and the product could help her focus more.

                            According to the OP the behavior only happens with certain fence materials at home.

                            That’s like saying a child who only feels nervous and scared at school during lunch and recess but never at home or anywhere else should take SSRIs for their “anxiety”.

                            A small amount of analytical thinking suggests that because this problem only occurs under very specific circumstances it is not due to some internal problem — which would not be controlled by environmental variables, so we wouldn’t see this clear correlation — but has some connection to some stimuli or demand that is being placed during those circumstances.

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                              #15
                              TXnGA -thx. I reworded my original post to just ask the real question I was wondering about. The Debaters can debate and the analyzers can analyze -I just want to know how the product works. When a human being gets a broken leg, they often use crutches or something to assist them until they are stronger. I see nothing wrong with trying to help reduce my horse's anxiety in the one situation where she demonstrates it. It may help her learn that maybe the situation is not as anxiety-ridden as she thinks it is.
                              My treasures do not chink, nor glitter. They carry me to great heights, they gleam in the sun, and they neigh in the night. That is my life, at the end of the day.

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                                #16
                                OP I get what you are saying. I have not used the product you are asking about. I use Via Calm (I don’t show) for my pinto who gets nervous in new situations (off property riding, hunter pace, trail ride, etc). I will be the first to admit i made mistakes with his training (he was a nurse mare foal) and he has come a long way but the Calm supplement just helps him stay relaxed rather then in a nervous sweat. Not sure that would help with your situation, I would just think practice over the jumps or at least flat around the jumps as much as possible so they don’t look so spooky.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by horsegurl View Post
                                  TXnGA It may help her learn that maybe the situation is not as anxiety-ridden as she thinks it is.
                                  Medication does not teach. Meds can make it easier for us to teach horses things by calming them or making them comfortable. But medication alone doesn’t teach skills. Even if you do find a new medication you still need a plan for how you are going to teach your horse how to approach and jump those fences.

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                                    #18
                                    What is funny about this thread that in the original post quoted, the OP talks about enjoying the journey, but then refers to going over a jump more than once drilling and not needed.

                                    The journey when talked about is the journey of daily training. The destination is the horse going over filled jumps with relaxation.

                                    A weightlifter does not lift competition weights every day.

                                    A marathon runner does not run a marathon every day.

                                    A showjumping horse is not jumped every day and does not jump the competition height every time it jumps.

                                    To add to what others have said above, start with filling without ground poles and going between them, then add ground poles surrounded by filling, caveletties, grids, etc, etc etc. That would not all be done on the same day and is part of the journey.
                                    It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by horsegurl View Post
                                      TXnGA -thx. I reworded my original post to just ask the real question I was wondering about. The Debaters can debate and the analyzers can analyze -I just want to know how the product works. When a human being gets a broken leg, they often use crutches or something to assist them until they are stronger. I see nothing wrong with trying to help reduce my horse's anxiety in the one situation where she demonstrates it. It may help her learn that maybe the situation is not as anxiety-ridden as she thinks it is.
                                      Your horse is not injured and It doesn't have a medical condition. It is being a horse.

                                      If you don't have the skills to figure out how to work through this (which is nothing to be ashamed of) see if you can find someone who can help. Don't start with the meds/"supplements".

                                      Take the time, for your horse's sake.

                                      You do realize that editing your first post is pointless when it has been quoted in the next post, right?

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                                        #20
                                        If there is a "medication" or supplement on the market that'll make my horse automatically jump anything without question or anxiety, sign me up.
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