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  • Importing horses from EU during a travel ban

    I found the horse of my dreams in the Czech Republic on the exact same day a travel ban was put in place. KLM is not flying horses to LAX again even after the ban. Does anyone know a private carrier for horse transportation to Los Angeles?

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    My guess is this is just not going to happen during pandemic lockdown. I'm sure you can buy the horse and leave it in Europe for a few months. If this is a serious question.



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      Horse can move, people can't.
      "Good young horses are bred, but good advanced horses are trained" Sam Griffiths

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        We have a horse shipping from the UK on the 30th. They are still, as of now, flying horses.

        He was purchased prior to the ban and had been waiting for two months after his castration surgery to fly him. We’ve bumped it up to sooner because we don’t know what is going to happen. We are just praying all is ok and he lands safely and stays healthy.
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          It's true but the extensive cadre of people needed to airlift a horse may not be allowed to travel. Also it is quite possible that the extensive quarantine facilities in the US are downgraded or shut in anticipation of no animal importation.

          If this is a serious question your first call should be to Border Services. They may have banned horse imports for logistical reasons having to do with human health and resources. They presumably have also banned private jets from Europe as well. The personnel would need to disembark to overnight and refuel etc.

          I know very little about the world of private jets but I would be surprised if many of them are configured for horse transport. Also they are fiendishly expensive to rent.

          Bear in mind also that California is on a whole state lockdown so you won't be able to visit or ride him at most barns.

          If this is a serious post and not Fantasy Baseball, put a deposit on the horse and wait. Realise too that the market in horses is going to likely tank this year with no shows and barns,trainers, and riders going broke.

          I'm sure they would be *delighted* to keep.him a few months if you bought now. No one else is going to be shipping him anywhere.

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          • #6
            As of last week at least, horses were still shipping. I believe we have another shipping over on Tuesday.

            When the travel ban was first passed, it threw the shipping industry into a bit of chaos. Initially there was some question over cargo flights, but the intent of the ban was not to block the flow of goods. So then the question became, how does the US classify grooms who fly with the horses: as crew or as passengers.

            Again, for the moment it looks like the details were worked out, but European nations continue to close borders as well, so the situation may change. I’ve seen a number of sales barns in Europe offering training/board for anyone who can’t ship a horse right away until the coronavirus is more under control. But of course, there is always a risk of having a horse so far removed from your control and oversight.

            Good luck!

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            • #7
              Ours just arrived from Europe, through JFK. He shipped from Amsterdam on Thursday, was released from quarantine Saturday and arrived at our farm today. Horseflight is the company we used and it all went very smoothly, just one little hiccup. But I’m not sure about LAX and I wouldn’t want to wait much longer to make arrangements.

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                This was and is a serious question! I called Jet Pets and they are struggling for answers too and worried about extensive job losses. Thank you "Sparky" I will look up Horseflight right now.

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                  Blimy. I'm in New Zealand and international equine flight has been suspended until further notice.

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                    Originally posted by twiggy38 View Post
                    This was and is a serious question! I called Jet Pets and they are struggling for answers too and worried about extensive job losses. Thank you "Sparky" I will look up Horseflight right now.
                    The Czech borders are closed. Citizens and foreign nationals cannot leave the country, so I don’t see how they would be able to transport the horse to Amsterdam (I don’t think they fly out of Czech, but of course I could be wrong).
                    The whole country is taking it seriously. I would hope the seller would tell you this. The borders have been closed for over a week now.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CleverUserName View Post

                      The Czech borders are closed. Citizens and foreign nationals cannot leave the country, so I don’t see how they would be able to transport the horse to Amsterdam (I don’t think they fly out of Czech, but of course I could be wrong).
                      The whole country is taking it seriously. I would hope the seller would tell you this. The borders have been closed for over a week now.
                      Borders are closed, but there are always exemptions for certain trade or essential functions. Defense, health, energy workers still cross borders with the right paperwork. Truck drivers do too, because countries won’t be able to afford to fight this virus without trade activities bringing in revenue. The drivers of the trucks should be able to move across borders, but other staff may not.

                      twiggy38 Also check with Equijet and Dutta Group. I believe they are still flying. And we moved a horse from the Czech last week with another set to fly this Tuesday. But he’s already in Amsterdam. Got there last week.

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                        Originally posted by outside_leg View Post

                        Borders are closed, but there are always exemptions for certain trade or essential functions. Defense, health, energy workers still cross borders with the right paperwork. Truck drivers do too, because countries won’t be able to afford to fight this virus without trade activities bringing in revenue. The drivers of the trucks should be able to move across borders, but other staff may not.
                        I know riding horses around sand rings possibly over hurdles is Very Important and all but can we agree for just a minute that flying a luxury pet around the world is not an essential function?!

                        Jesus CHRIST people.
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                          Think vanning the horse out of the CR, across Germany and into the Netherlands is your biggest challenge, not booking a flight from Amsterdam. Least if he gets there and flights are suspended, there’s yards that can tend to him. That driver gets denied entry or exit passing through a border, you got a big problem.

                          And have you seen the lines of trucks waiting to cross some of those borders? Don’t care what the seller says, they aren’t coping with isolating the virus.

                          Essential cargo is still moving but that’s subject to change with little or no notice as is the definition of “ essential” and willingness of drivers.
                          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                          The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post

                            I know riding horses around sand rings possibly over hurdles is Very Important and all but can we agree for just a minute that flying a luxury pet around the world is not an essential function?!

                            Jesus CHRIST people.
                            Sing it, sister! What is this even???

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post

                              Sing it, sister! What is this even???
                              Because shelter in place apparently means more time for what one can justify as essential activities (but they really aren’t) rather than actual essential activities. Oregon closed their state parks due to too many people discovering the great outdoors and congregating in large groups.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by twiggy38 View Post
                                I found the horse of my dreams in the Czech Republic on the exact same day a travel ban was put in place. KLM is not flying horses to LAX again even after the ban. Does anyone know a private carrier for horse transportation to Los Angeles?
                                there are no private carriers, only certain carriers fly horses. As others mentioned, if this is a bonafide post leave the horse there and ship when you can. Chances are the horse isn't going to be sold anytime soon anyway

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                                  A good friend who is a flight attendant said one of the big challenges is how to staff the flights. Even for cargo, when the crew lands they must wait a certain amount of time before they can turn around and go back. However, if the crew is not allowed in the country due to travel restrictions what then? They cannot all quarantine for 14 days and then make the return flight. Of course, they can, but the airlines don't want to pay them for 14 days on what would usually be a 48-hour turnaround. That along with the travel restrictions everywhere now means it seems unlikely that this type of shipping will be happening in the near future.

                                  However, this thread shows that some people have very recently got their horses so maybe there is a work around going on?

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                                  • #18
                                    Even if you can. Please do not. There is a reason borders are closing and travel is limited.

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                                      Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post

                                      I know riding horses around sand rings possibly over hurdles is Very Important and all but can we agree for just a minute that flying a luxury pet around the world is not an essential function?!

                                      Jesus CHRIST people.
                                      Funny comment but any kind of commerce is good commerce right now. Particularly if you are a horse in Czech Republic and your barn runs out of essential hay.

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                                        Originally posted by twiggy38 View Post

                                        Funny comment but any kind of commerce is good commerce right now. Particularly if you are a horse in Czech Republic and your barn runs out of essential hay.
                                        Well based on that logic all restaurants should reopen and the cruise lines should fire up the engines.

                                        *slow clap*

                                        Also is there some reason you think the Czech Republic is going to run out of hay but your barn will not?
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