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How much should I charge for using my horse for an Ariat Medal class?

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    How much should I charge for using my horse for an Ariat Medal class?

    Hi all -

    I have a horse that someone asked if they could use for an Ariat Medal class at WEC since they are trying to get points and couldn't bring their own horse. My horse is a very nice horse that is an ex-Grand Prix horse and has a lot of experience in the Eq as well, I've never had anyone do a catch ride before so am wondering what the going rate is for this and what expenses, if any, they would pay for? I'm already aware that I need to have them sign a contract as a precaution should something go wrong (they fall off or the horse gets hurt while they are riding), but have no idea on how much I should charge. Any input is welcome! Thank you!
    Last edited by WrenBlae.ParaShowJumper; Feb. 10, 2020, 02:55 PM.

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    How much are they willing to pay

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      #3
      Ask your trainer for guidance.

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        #4
        Depends: 1) Is the horse going to be at WEC already for other classes? 2) Is the horse for sale? 3) How close are you to the catch rider/trainer?
        "You armchair quarterbacks truly disgust me. Get out from behind your keyboards and go try to learn half as much about horsemanship as Ms. Colvin." -- APirateLooksAtForty

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          Yes, the horse will already be at WEC and no, the horse is not for sale. I know the rider and trainer personally. It's a sort of unconventional situation where my own trainer couldn't go to WEC with me, so i'm riding with a different trainer there. This person is one of his clients. I have asked my home trainer but she isn't in and around it as much anymore, so wasn't sure on a going rate. Thanks for your input!
          Last edited by WrenBlae.ParaShowJumper; Feb. 10, 2020, 02:52 PM.

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            #6
            I would reframe the situation as not a "catch ride" really, but a lease for one class. You need to consider any practice rides, etc. that might be entailed. And yes be aware that this trainer may not have your interests at heart.

            #1 of my worries would be skill of rider and trainer. Honestly, I wouldn't do it for one class. Not worth the risks and no pro around to protect your interests. You could say, "No, I'm just not comfortable doing that without his usual trainer here".


            But to answer your question, ball park to me would be $800, which would include one schooling session. Be very specific about only one class, height of jumps, etc.
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              I actually catch rode a friend's sale horse at a local jumper show here over Labor Day. He is for sale and we're both ammies so I simply paid for his show fees for that class + office fee. Obviously that is probably way over simplified compared to what you're looking at.

              Em
              "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

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                Are you taking the horse for you to show or are they the only reason the horse is going to the show? If they're the only reason the horse is going to the show, they're responsible for the stall fee, entries etc, you're just doing a one week lease on the horse, everything is theirs to pay for. So you can decide on a lease fee for the week.

                If you are already going to be there to show yourself on him, then they pay their own entry fee and then owe you a fee for the day use of the horse. I would also expect them to pay for the braiding if they're the only reason the horse is showing that day (add it to the day use fee, whatever is easier). If you're also showing and need him braided, I'd lump half the cost of the braiding into the fee they owe you.

                We looked in to leasing an adult jumper for a barn mate at one point for just a week at the show, the going rate was $1000 for the week, that was the lease fee only. She would have still had to pay all the entries and stall fee etc. I would charge more for a fancy eq horse.

                Your trainer should be able to get an idea of what the day fees are like from others, or you could use whatever her day use fee would be and then add the braiding to it.

                Edit: I wrote this while you replied to others. Can I ask what that trainer is recommending you charge? I think ToTheNines is right. They will want at least one practice schooling too. I think she's probably right for the fee, basically it's a day's lease on a very nice horse.

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                  I probably wouldn't do it either- an unfamiliar rider and trainer to you and he horse may not be worth the fee they pay if something goes wrong. It sounds like a lovely animal who is doing his job well, why risk a bad trip at a show that you would then need to unwind without your usual support system?

                  If you choose to go forward- I would use the advice above for the lease fee (not catch riding, they aren't doing you a favor) plus have them cover all expenses for the day as if she brought her own horse. You weren't looking for someone else to ride your horse so I don't see you needing to cut them a deal/share expenses

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                    Originally posted by ToTheNines View Post
                    But to answer your question, ball park to me would be $800, which would include one schooling session. Be very specific about only one class, height of jumps, etc.
                    Yikes. I would never pay $800.

                    Last time I borrowed a horse for an equitation class I paid my entry, his braiding for my class, and the groom for the show. Owner was already showing so she paid her own entries and the shipping. I wouldn't mind a small lease fee on top of that.

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                      Originally posted by ToTheNines View Post
                      I would reframe the situation as not a "catch ride" really, but a lease for one class. You need to consider any practice rides, etc. that might be entailed. And yes be aware that this trainer may not have your interests at heart.

                      #1 of my worries would be skill of rider and trainer. Honestly, I wouldn't do it for one class. Not worth the risks and no pro around to protect your interests. You could say, "No, I'm just not comfortable doing that without his usual trainer here".


                      But to answer your question, ball park to me would be $800, which would include one schooling session. Be very specific about only one class, height of jumps, etc.
                      This is what I would have suggested.

                      FWIW, catch rides are generally situations where a very competent rider shows a horse for someone else in order to show it off - to get the horse qualified for something, or to help its sale prospects. In this case you are talking about a day lease, more or less.

                      If you know the rider is competent and your horse is easy going enough not to mind the extra trip, then sure - come up with a number that makes you happy to share and do the contract as you mentioned.

                      If you don't know the rider's level of competence on an unfamiliar horse, or the money simply isn't much of an incentive to you, then I'd politely pass.
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                        #12
                        Don’t. I lent one, it was broken forever. Just say no.

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                          Originally posted by ToTheNines View Post

                          But to answer your question, ball park to me would be $800, which would include one schooling session. Be very specific about only one class, height of jumps, etc.

                          You know the Ariat is a 3' adult class, right?
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                          You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

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                            Originally posted by Midge View Post
                            You know the Ariat is a 3' adult class, right?
                            And despite warm up rules, you never know what could go on.
                            Better be ready for the worst and making clear that there is a limit.
                            ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                            Originally posted by LauraKY
                            I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.

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                              Originally posted by OnDeck View Post
                              Yikes. I would never pay $800.

                              Last time I borrowed a horse for an equitation class I paid my entry, his braiding for my class, and the groom for the show. Owner was already showing so she paid her own entries and the shipping. I wouldn't mind a small lease fee on top of that.
                              I must say you were very lucky.

                              What kind of show was this?

                              Why did you needed to borrow this horse? Was it profitable for the owner?

                              The OP has a quality horse that has the potential to win the class - This is worth something, especially for a rider looking for points.
                              The horse doesn’t need the experience, and the owner wouldn’t benefit from the situation. This is worth something.

                              Contrat and insurances, that’s a given.

                              OP, I’m not sure I would do it if you don’t need it, but I don’t trust many people with my horses.
                              At least, will you be able to be there to « supervised »?
                              ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                              Originally posted by LauraKY
                              I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by alibi_18 View Post

                                And despite warm up rules, you never know what could go on.
                                Better be ready for the worst and making clear that there is a limit.
                                No one will pay $800 to borrow a horse for a 3' class.
                                *****
                                You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Midge View Post
                                  No one will pay $800 to borrow a horse for a 3' class.
                                  It’s not « just a 3’ class » on a horse, it’s the Ariat class at WEC to gather points on an ex-GP horse to win.

                                  You might not pay for that, but I can assure you some will.
                                  ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                                  Originally posted by LauraKY
                                  I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.

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                                    #18
                                    For a 3' class under the same trainer you're currently working with, presumably with a rider you are comfortable with, and the horse will already be at the show... I'd ask her to pay braiding for that day, 1 day of stall, and maybe ~200 for the lease fee? Tack on some extra if she wants to ride him the day before.

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                                      Originally posted by ToTheNines View Post
                                      But to answer your question, ball park to me would be $800, which would include one schooling session. Be very specific about only one class, height of jumps, etc.
                                      Originally posted by OnDeck View Post
                                      Yikes. I would never pay $800.

                                      Last time I borrowed a horse for an equitation class I paid my entry, his braiding for my class, and the groom for the show. Owner was already showing so she paid her own entries and the shipping. I wouldn't mind a small lease fee on top of that.
                                      No kidding. No one I know would pay $800 to lease a horse for one class at a regular show. I didn't pay much more than that to lease a good horse for MEDAL FINALS from a BNT, with all horse costs factored in (stall, groom, bedding, hay, transport, prep, etc.). I just paid the entries and the training on top.

                                      I have leased out an eq horse to a kid competing in a regional eq finals in exchange for a video of the kid riding the horse in these finals.

                                      If you know the trainer and the rider, ask them to pick-up the braiding and/or groom fees for the day.
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                                        #20
                                        is this horse insured? check to see what the consequence would be if something catastrophic happened under a different rider.

                                        Who would be responsible if a minor injury happened, requiring vet services and time off and potentially loss of your use.

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