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  • I wish that there was something that I could do to help. I am just a kid but I can try to help do some fundraising for Gabby or try to reach out to people to help her find a horse that wouldn’t replace Hireno but might help. I can’t imagine being in this situation and it seriously hurts my heart for everyone involved. I am so sorry to all of you. Please send me a message and I can try to help.

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    • Originally posted by Temecula Jumper View Post

      The horse does not have Glanders. He’s negative on the Western Blot.
      In what time frame after fever and bloodwork?

      I'm going to side with USDA that this horse is a risk. Especially considering this is a fully eradicated disease in NA.

      Would you be comfortable having him come to your barn?

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      • Originally posted by roseymare View Post

        In what time frame after fever and bloodwork?

        I'm going to side with USDA that this horse is a risk. Especially considering this is a fully eradicated disease in NA.

        Would you be comfortable having him come to your barn?
        From what I read, the horse has tested negative on the WB for Glanders since day 1.

        This is just heartbreaking. They are going to euthanize a healthy animal over a test that has been shown to not be 100% effective. There are other ways of dealing with this. Someone should care.

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          Originally posted by caryledee View Post

          From what I read, the horse has tested negative on the WB for Glanders since day 1.

          This is just heartbreaking. They are going to euthanize a healthy animal over a test that has been shown to not be 100% effective. There are other ways of dealing with this. Someone should care.
          You’re exactly right. The horse has always tested negative on the Western Blot. We aren’t aware of any studies for the WB giving false negatives. There are studies showing the CFT throws false positives in up to 10% of cases.

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          • Originally posted by caryledee View Post

            From what I read, the horse has tested negative on the WB for Glanders since day 1.

            This is just heartbreaking. They are going to euthanize a healthy animal over a test that has been shown to not be 100% effective. There are other ways of dealing with this. Someone should care.
            Also with clinical signs which could be consistent with this particular ZOONOTIC eradicated disease in NA.

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            • Originally posted by roseymare View Post

              Also with clinical signs which could be consistent with this particular ZOONOTIC eradicated disease in NA.
              And it could be a temp from the stress of what he is going through. Or a bacterial infection that was ignored by the quarantine vet. I am not saying this horse should be set free but there is should be an option other than euthanizing. Like remaining in quarantine until they figure this out.

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              • Originally posted by caryledee View Post

                And it could be a temp from the stress of what he is going through. Or a bacterial infection that was ignored by the quarantine vet. I am not saying this horse should be set free but there is should be an option other than euthanizing. Like remaining in quarantine until they figure this out.
                I agree with you about euthanization at this point in time. What I don't agree with is the assumption on this board that this horse is 100% clear of Glanders infection. Sure the risk is low but if my license was on the line I wouldn't clear him yet either. This is a convoluted case with probably not much precedence to go on.

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                • Wiping out glanders in this country was considered a triumph of American veterinary medicine and the government. We are no longer familiar with the disease here, but before it was wiped out in this country it was considered as a major illness with bad economic effects for the horse industry. According to Wikipedia it is also fatal to humans as well as horses, and in WWI it was used in biological warfare against equines and humans.

                  I no longer own horses, but I most certainly do approve of the USDA doing all it can to keep this disease out of this country.

                  On the other hand I feel so sorry for the girl, her family and the horse. This sounds like a true nightmare.

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                  • Originally posted by caryledee View Post

                    And it could be a temp from the stress of what he is going through. Or a bacterial infection that was ignored by the quarantine vet. I am not saying this horse should be set free but there is should be an option other than euthanizing. Like remaining in quarantine until they figure this out.
                    I get the feeling it would be too cost-prohibitive for the family to keep the horse in quarantine any longer, and they are not pursuingthis route. What an unfortunate situation.
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                    • As I read it, the usda is not requiring euthanasia. But the strict control and cost of moving him has convinced the owners to go that route of it seems he will never text clear. Am I correct?

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                        The USDA is allowing only one more test. If the horse fails, the USDA is requiring euthanasia, or that the horse be sent back to Europe. Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue has told the family Europe will euthanize the horse as soon as it arrives.

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                        • Originally posted by roseymare View Post

                          Also with clinical signs which could be consistent with this particular ZOONOTIC eradicated disease in NA.
                          If this was the case, and there was concern, why was the horse not treated for anything while in quarantine, up until the very recent past? They should have done SOMEthing if the horse was thought to been sick. "poop" or get off the pot, so to say.

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                          • God this is so tragic. That poor animal, what a horrible way to end your life. I really hope their lawyer can work out a miracle...

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                            • Originally posted by Temecula Jumper View Post
                              The USDA is allowing only one more test. If the horse fails, the USDA is requiring euthanasia, or that the horse be sent back to Europe. Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue has told the family Europe will euthanize the horse as soon as it arrives.
                              Thanks for the clarification. It is sad.
                              Many years ago, my vet treated a puppy and it bit her. When it died, she just for safety sent it's brain for testing and it had rabies. The state tracked down all the puppies and euthanized them since they had just adopted. None of them tested positive but it was necessary.

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                              • Originally posted by endlessclimb View Post

                                If this was the case, and there was concern, why was the horse not treated for anything while in quarantine, up until the very recent past? They should have done SOMEthing if the horse was thought to been sick. "poop" or get off the pot, so to say.
                                So no treatment proves he wasn't sick?

                                Doesn't work that way.

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                                • So NA eradicated Glanders. Why can’t the same be done in Europe? I feel bad for the horse but I’m with the USDA on this.

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                                  • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post
                                    So NA eradicated Glanders. Why can’t the same be done in Europe? I feel bad for the horse but I’m with the USDA on this.
                                    I suspect because it's endemic in Africa and short of depop repop would be very difficult.

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                                    • Originally posted by roseymare View Post

                                      So no treatment proves he wasn't sick?

                                      Doesn't work that way.
                                      I'm really not sure if you're being intentionally troll-ish, or if you can't read. The horse tested negative on Western Blot repeatedly. If there was a suspicion, there's exactly ZERO harm in treating the horse while continuing to test. The test they're basing this decision on is well-known for false-positives. Western Blot is not known for false negatives.

                                      I'm completely ok with USDA being cautious. I am NOT ok with a horse being denied adequate veterinary care for 7 weeks while a family is struggling to get answers. For a family being asked to spend large amounts of money PER DAY, USDA BETTER be willing to communicate. That's not the family being abusive or demanding. That's what anyone with a large daily unplanned expenditure would do. That's what ANY ONE OF US WOULD DO IF OUR HORSE WAS UNDER VETERINARY CARE. You can't possibly tell me that if your horse was at the vet's office you wouldn't be checking in daily.
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                                      • Originally posted by Temecula Jumper View Post
                                        The USDA is allowing only one more test. If the horse fails, the USDA is requiring euthanasia, or that the horse be sent back to Europe. Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue has told the family Europe will euthanize the horse as soon as it arrives.
                                        If it is treatable, why would Europe euthanize? This is just a horrible situation.

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                                        • From this article, it appears that Germany would not permit the horse to renter either because it has to pass the CFT after a period of retests if it passes the blot test.

                                          it also seems as if Glanders was basically eradicated from Western Europe for 60 years before a horse imported from Africa reintroduced it, so I can see why USDA is being vigilant. That said, the situation is completely awful, especially for the poor family.

                                          https://thehorse.com/113843/diagnosi...rs-in-germany/

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