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Show dates owned? Or not?

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    Show dates owned? Or not?

    I was listening to a Plaidcast, podcast from
    Sept of an interview with Robby Roberts. They were talking about show dates & Roberts stated that usef dates are not owned by anyone. That to get show dates, one must apply for them each year. He stated that he will apply for ocala winter dates next year.
    If this is true, why do I hear people talking about buying show dates from people for millions of dollars?

    That is interesting. Around here (NC/SC) there have definitely been cases of shows receiving money to allow another show to go up against them and of people receiving money for their show dates. Mr. Roberts knows far more than I do though about running shows. It will be interesting to see what happens with his gorgeous new facility in Ocala!


      If they have to apply yearly, preference must be given to the current manager with the dates. Know they don’t have to have the show every year to keep the dates and can move the location on those dates. They can sit on those dates and the mileage rule helps them hold them. Did try to look at the rules but could not find that. Maybe somebody else can dig it up.

      I hope RR can break that log jam that allows unpopular shows to keep rolling along and keep new entrants out. Even if they offer a better product. RR is local to me and took over a mess, cleaned it up and offers a much better product up here in Ohio. Not perfect but a definite, user friendly improvement, even the non rated shows (that cant be rated because if the mileage rule) are well run and popular. Good luck to him and thanks for rocking that boat.
      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.


        The rules are under Competition Licensing, I believe. (may or may not be the current year, I didn't check.)
        We move pretty fast for some rabid garden snails.


          That appears to be the 2019 rules. The 2020 rules, which go into effect today, are here

          But that is the WHOLE rulebook, so you need to go to chapter 3. A few changes, but nothing major.

          chief feeder and mucker for Music, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now). Spy is gone. April 15, 1982 to Jan 10, 2019.


            Clear as mud. Does read like dates need to be open for a new applicant while managers of existing dates just apply for a renewal of those dates.
            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

            The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.


              There’s definitely some transferring going on. You can sometimes see the provenance of show date ownership by comparing the licensee to the manager. NEE and West Palms are separate management groups.
              The Evil Chem Prof


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                It will be interesting, without a doubt. Most people given a choice to show at WEC Ocala or HITs ocala, will want to show at the WEC facility. If USEF listens to the members, it will give Roberts at least some of the dates.
                Tent stalls or nice big safe comfortable stalls?
                Porta potty’s or clean bathrooms?
                Etc, etc, etc.


                  But if current Ocala management wants to keep all their dates and is not willing to negotiate privately with WEC, would WECs attempt to get some dates even be considered rather then an automatic renewal?

                  USEF doesn’t really care what average exhibitors want, not with mega show mangers participating on USEF committees and certain mega trainers exerting considerable influence.
                  When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                  The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.


                    This has got me wondering about HITS Balmoral. The dates that are there now, were formerly Showplace Production dates, held at either Lamplight or The Ledges. If the dates were sold to HITS, and Balmoral also gets sold, what will happen to those dates? Likewise, if they were leased by SP to HITS, when will they get them back, and where will they take the shows too?


                      Depends on who actually, currently owns those dates and if they wish to transfer them. We had a short lived facility in Sunbury, Ohio maybe 12-15 years ago that had a manager (PD IIRC) come in with dates that then turned into a real mess and ended up going back to either Ledges or SP with them. No idea which dates or who has them today. Maybe they ended up the Balmoral dates...who knows. Need a program to figure out who owns what and where they got them.
                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.