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    Originally posted by Midge View Post

    I wonder if using the word 'hearing' is the key here. There is no formal 'hearing' at this point. Now if they said, 'Bob was never allowed to present any evidence." that would be different.

    I think that it IS key that they’re saying there was no formal hearing. He probably was able to submit evidence and statements, but that in itself is not a hearing.

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      So what? Do you think they don't speak with the respondent or allow them to present any evidence they have during the investigation process? The claimants don't get a "formal hearing" either. That doesn't mean they didn't get to state their case or present evidence to the investigator.

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        Today's AES email:
        INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT OUR GOALS?

        Athletes for Equity in Sport remains dedicated to our mission of reviewing and reforming the operational procedures of the U.S. Center for SafeSport in order to improve safety and equity for all participants. Do you have any questions about our nonprofit?
        I feel it is important to have an organization like SafeSport to protect victims of abuse in the sports. How does SafeSport work and can their platform be unfair?

        We agree! Abuse in sport is unacceptable and establishing protocols to protect minors and advocating for safety in sport is essential. To take a step in the right direction the U.S. Center for SafeSport opened its doors in Denver, Colorado, in March 2017, and became a federally authorized organization under the Protecting Young Victims from Sexual Abuse and Safe Sport Authorization Act of 2017 (which became Public Law No: 115-126 on February 14, 2018).

        However, SafeSport is a new organization with broad authority and we believe it is important for Congress to conduct oversight to ensure SafeSport is effectively achieving its mission and treating all those under its jurisdiction fairly and equitably. If stakeholders subject to SafeSport jurisdiction don’t have confidence in SafeSport to fairly and competently fulfill its mission, that undermines the ability of SafeSport to achieve the objectives Congress intended which is to improve safety for athletes.
        We are confident that SafeSport can operate in manner that protects athletes and treats all of those who are participants in the SafeSport resolution process fairly. AES is committed to working with both SafeSport and Congress to achieve that goal.
        The changes Athletes For Equity In Sport seek are to ensure a better process for both the person making a charge and the person being named in a charge. We want SafeSport to implement more appropriate safeguards and establish impartial procedures in their investigations that will enable SafeSport to achieve the objectives Congress intended.

        What sports are represented by Athletes for Equity in Sport?

        Athletes for Equity in Sport currently consists of U.S. Olympic and Paralympian female and male athletes, trainers, managers and enthusiasts from the sports of cycling, figure skating, fencing, wrestling, gymnastics, boxing and the equestrian disciplines. The AES mission is to ensure any person involved in the SafeSport reporting and resolution process is afforded participation in a timely, equitable, and confidential manner. If you have engaged SafeSport or been the subject of a SafeSport investigation, we would welcome hearing from you about your experience and whether you believe the process was fair and equitable.

        How do you utilize donations?

        SafeSport passed with bipartisan congressional support and we are dedicated in taking it a step further by recognizing ways the organization can improve. Our goal is to address issues with SafeSport in order to help improve processes SafeSport policies were built on. In order to do so, we hired an expert team of business professionals, attorneys and congressional lobbying experts to raise awareness and bring forward questions on how SafeSport can execute integral changes. SafeSport receives more than 200 reports of sexual misconduct or abuse in U.S. Olympic & Paralympic sports per month and changes need to be put in place so the organization can better cope with the scope of the reports and implement positive change to better protect athletes. Thank you to the gracious donors who stepped up to support AES' mission as it has afforded us the opportunity to make a difference.


        I've spent most of my life riding horses. The rest I've just wasted.

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          "The changes Athletes For Equity In Sport seek are to ensure a better process for both the person making a charge and the person being named in a charge. We want SafeSport to implement more appropriate safeguards and establish impartial procedures in their investigations that will enable SafeSport to achieve the objectives Congress intended."



          We can't tell you how they aren't doing this, though, because it's a secret. I mean, other than their obviously unfair treatment of elderly sexual predators. UnFaiR!!!
          Let me apologize in advance.

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            Still no information on the non-profit status.

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              How donation dollars are spent: “We hire a bunch of people to write letters to Congress and tweet the President.”

              That is how that reads.

              When an organization gets non-profit status, don’t they need to have a more specific, line by line break down of how funds are spent?

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                Originally posted by skydy View Post
                Still no information on the non-profit status.
                Funny you mention that, because when I got the email I realized I hadn't seen anything about that recently. So, I went back through all my AES emails, and the last mention of it I see is all the way back in January: "*nonprofit corporation applying for tax-exempt status as a 501(c)(6) organization".

                No mention of it since. I have no idea how long it takes to be approved/rejected so maybe they're still waiting, but seems weird they wouldn't keep putting that disclaimer in the emails if it's undecided. I searched the IRS site but they don't come up, although there's a note that the site has been delayed in updating.
                I've spent most of my life riding horses. The rest I've just wasted.

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                  Originally posted by SolarFlare View Post

                  Funny you mention that, because when I got the email I realized I hadn't seen anything about that recently. So, I went back through all my AES emails, and the last mention of it I see is all the way back in January: "*nonprofit corporation applying for tax-exempt status as a 501(c)(6) organization".

                  No mention of it since. I have no idea how long it takes to be approved/rejected so maybe they're still waiting, but seems weird they wouldn't keep putting that disclaimer in the emails if it's undecided. I searched the IRS site but they don't come up, although there's a note that the site has been delayed in updating.
                  Does Athletes for Equity use the AES acronym? As a breeder, I keep reading that as Anglo European Studbook,,,,, very confusing.

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                    On their website, it says they are still applying, but they call themselves a non profit in this latest letter. I believe an organization is not a nonprofit until it has received that tax exempt status. Your donations, however, are not tax exempt.
                    *****
                    You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

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                      Considering their target audience has difficulty reading for comprehension, “applying” is good enough for them. I bet people try to claim the donation too.

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                        Originally posted by tuckawayfarm View Post

                        Does Athletes for Equity use the AES acronym? As a breeder, I keep reading that as Anglo European Studbook,,,,, very confusing.
                        I'm in the same boat. I always have to remind myself that AES in this case doesn't stand for American Education Services (where I pay my school loans). Not sure if they use the acronym themselves or not.

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                          When I see PPE I immediately think Pre-purchase exam, not personal protective equipment.

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                            Originally posted by skydy View Post
                            When I see PPE I immediately think Pre-purchase exam, not personal protective equipment.
                            Yes!
                            And I've only recently begun to associate BLM with Black Live Matter and not Bureau of Land Management.
                            "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                            ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                              Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post

                              Yes!
                              And I've only recently begun to associate BLM with Black Live Matter and not Bureau of Land Management.
                              Me too.

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                                Originally posted by skydy View Post

                                Me too.
                                I really took a double take with the BLM auction thread in off course .

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                                  Originally posted by tuckawayfarm View Post

                                  Does Athletes for Equity use the AES acronym? As a breeder, I keep reading that as Anglo European Studbook,,,,, very confusing.
                                  Yes, we were originally using "AfE" here but the organization uses "AES" so I figured I'd try to keep it the same to avoid confusion. Didn't work

                                  Originally posted by Midge View Post
                                  On their website, it says they are still applying, but they call themselves a non profit in this latest letter. I believe an organization is not a nonprofit until it has received that tax exempt status. Your donations, however, are not tax exempt.
                                  I refuse to go to their website - I went there once and ended up on their email subscription list, despite the fact that I definitely did NOT sign up for their newsletter!
                                  I've spent most of my life riding horses. The rest I've just wasted.

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                                    Originally posted by SolarFlare View Post

                                    Yes, we were originally using "AfE" here but the organization uses "AES" so I figured I'd try to keep it the same to avoid confusion. Didn't work
                                    I had the same reaction to the BLM auction.

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                                      So, has AfE/AES rallied around this guy to make sure he got a fair/impartial hearing from SafeSport before being banned?

                                      https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/12/us/te...est/index.html

                                      "Oh, sure, you may be able to take down one smurf, but mark my words: You bonk one smurf, you better be ready for a blue wave."---Bucky Katt

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                                        Originally posted by RHdobes563 View Post
                                        So, has AfE/AES rallied around this guy to make sure he got a fair/impartial hearing from SafeSport before being banned?

                                        https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/12/us/te...est/index.html
                                        No because he’s not their friend. And he’s tied up in the court system. But more to the point, he’s not their friend.
                                        Don't try this at home.

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                                          Looks like TS's suspension was upheld but the length decreased. Ends 11/18/21 now. Subject to Appeal has been removed.

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