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    Originally posted by angelssix View Post
    https://www.riverchasefarm.com/training

    When is someone going to put an end to people continuing to conduct business where there are children involved? Isn't this individual on the list? It specifically states on the website that "RCF is competitive in both the VHSA and USHJA horse shows". There are plenty of pictures of him with young people on the site. How is he still getting kids into shows??
    Are you talking about Tom Navarro? There was a woman on Facebook defending riding with him with her daughter because she got the “real” story from him and she’s always there so nothing will happen.

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      Originally posted by TheMoo View Post
      Are you talking about Tom Navarro? There was a woman on Facebook defending riding with him with her daughter because she got the “real” story from him and she’s always there so nothing will happen.
      Ah, well, that's alright then. If parents can't attend to their child personally they only need to provide a body guard.

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        Originally posted by TheMoo View Post

        Are you talking about Tom Navarro? There was a woman on Facebook defending riding with him with her daughter because she got the “real” story from him and she’s always there so nothing will happen.
        Frankly I find it disgusting that anyone would knowingly bring their child around a convicted individual.
        “My horses are my friends, not my slaves” — Reiner Klimke

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          Originally posted by angelssix View Post

          Frankly I find it disgusting that anyone would knowingly bring their child around a convicted individual.
          Well it was real and quite frankly appalling but there it is.

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            Originally posted by angelssix View Post

            Frankly I find it disgusting that anyone would knowingly bring their child around a convicted individual.
            But how many parents know to check the Safesport list? Especially if they are new to horses. Hopefully someone will take them aside and give them the facts.

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              Originally posted by Cinderella View Post
              But how many parents know to check the Safesport list? Especially if they are new to horses. Hopefully someone will take them aside and give them the facts.
              The person I’m speaking of is well aware of his conviction. She believes his version.

              Parents have kids who participate in more than one sport. Safe Sport is not unique to horses. It seems that way because a certain faction creates the most vocal push back in our small sport.

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                Originally posted by TheMoo View Post

                The person I’m speaking of is well aware of his conviction. She believes his version.

                Parents have kids who participate in more than one sport. Safe Sport is not unique to horses. It seems that way because a certain faction creates the most vocal push back in our small sport.
                That’s so messed up. How does a parent justify taking their child to ride with a
                convicted sex offender? It says on his website that he aims to create a family friendly environment. So creepy.

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                  Originally posted by Cinderella View Post

                  That’s so messed up. How does a parent justify taking their child to ride with a
                  convicted sex offender? It says on his website that he aims to create a family friendly environment. So creepy.
                  Creepy is a polite term for it. Someone said he also got removed from the mandatory Sex Offense Listings. He is no longer required to register. Absolute garbage.
                  “My horses are my friends, not my slaves” — Reiner Klimke

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                    Today brings another email from AFE:


                    Athletes for Equity in Sport, (AES 501 (c)6), is responding to the most recent ruling issued by the U.S. Center for SafeSport, regarding permanent ineligibility status of Bob McDonald, 73, husband of U.S. Technical Advisor of Dressage and Chef d'Equipe, Debbie McDonald. Regardless of what has been said, Bob McDonald was not given a hearing before being announced permanently ineligible.

                    Athletes for Equity in Sport remains dedicated to and focused on our mission of equity for all participants in the U.S. Center for SafeSport, USOPC, and NGB reporting process.

                    We continue to address the urgent issue: Reform U.S. Center for SafeSport operational procedures.

                    We need your help! For more information, to become a member, donor, or volunteer, please visit www.Athletesforequity.org.

                    Diane Carney
                    President
                    Athletes for Equity in Sport
                    www.AthletesforEquity.org

                    Related Articles:
                    U.S. Center of SafeSport Issues Permanent Ban on Bob McDonald, Husband of US Dressage Technical Advisor – PS Dressage

                    Bob McDonald Requests Independent Arbitration For U.S. Center of SafeSport - PS Dressage
                    I've spent most of my life riding horses. The rest I've just wasted.

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                      I want to add that everyone who is mad about people being sanctioned by SafeSport without "publicly verified facts" really should spend more time investigating how our criminal justice system actually works in real life and spend some energy on that, especially on forced plea bargains and on people sometimes held in prison for years without trial or bail.

                      That's one of the reasons this whole AES et al action just feels so insular and petty and lacking self-awareness to me, even beyond the much larger problem that they don't seem to care at all about past or future victims or the safety of young or up and coming athletes. The other is that the only people they issue press releases about are the Big Names, never about the little people who get sanctions, and never about athletes who left the sport because they didn't feel safe.
                      If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                        Originally posted by Cinderella View Post

                        That’s so messed up. How does a parent justify taking their child to ride with a
                        convicted sex offender? It says on his website that he aims to create a family friendly environment. So creepy.
                        Especially when there are so many more options in the area. It's not like RCF is the only game in town, not by a long shot. There are lots of barns that provide better horse care and instruction from instructors/trainers without a sex offense on their record.

                        It's not a secret in horse circles around the area, so the only parents who might not know are those completely new to horses. There's a lot of parents that see no issue with leaving their daughters unattended at the barn. I honestly don't know what they're thinking.

                        The fact that he can smooth talk a mother should give you an idea of what he's capable of with a younger female.

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                          Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                          So once you admit you're a troll, I encourage everyone to use their internal block and ignore the ensuing nonsense.

                          admit that you are a know-nothing bully

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                            Originally posted by TheMoo View Post

                            The person I’m speaking of is well aware of his conviction. She believes his version.

                            Parents have kids who participate in more than one sport. Safe Sport is not unique to horses. It seems that way because a certain faction creates the most vocal push back in our small sport.
                            I’ve talked to some of my parents that have kids active in other sports (baseball, soccer, football), since I was curious about this. None of them were aware of any Safesport training or restrictions in the other sports. I can’t tell if they just don’t notice, or if the youth sports are so far removed from the national governing bodies there’s no connection, or if it’s because not all popular kids sports are Olympic sports. I tried to figure out the soccer, since it’s the most popular in our area and is an Olympic sport. Our local soccer league that everyone’s kid joins here doesn’t have anything apparent on its website, and the coaches don’t require licensing by their national governing body before a certain level. I would be surprised if many parents new to or outside the horse industry (and the gymnastics, probably) had any idea they were meant to be checking a Safesport list.

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                              Originally posted by smoofox View Post

                              Then the question was not in any way "seemingly innocuous":... and merely trying to light more flames.

                              another literary genius

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                                Originally posted by SolarFlare View Post
                                Today brings another email from AFE:


                                Athletes for Equity in Sport, (AES 501 (c)6), is responding to the most recent ruling issued by the U.S. Center for SafeSport, regarding permanent ineligibility status of Bob McDonald, 73, husband of U.S. Technical Advisor of Dressage and Chef d'Equipe, Debbie McDonald. Regardless of what has been said, Bob McDonald was not given a hearing before being announced permanently ineligible.

                                Athletes for Equity in Sport remains dedicated to and focused on our mission of equity for all participants in the U.S. Center for SafeSport, USOPC, and NGB reporting process.

                                We continue to address the urgent issue: Reform U.S. Center for SafeSport operational procedures.

                                We need your help! For more information, to become a member, donor, or volunteer, please visit www.Athletesforequity.org.

                                Diane Carney
                                President
                                Athletes for Equity in Sport
                                www.AthletesforEquity.org

                                Related Articles:
                                U.S. Center of SafeSport Issues Permanent Ban on Bob McDonald, Husband of US Dressage Technical Advisor – PS Dressage

                                Bob McDonald Requests Independent Arbitration For U.S. Center of SafeSport - PS Dressage
                                I wonder if using the word 'hearing' is the key here. There is no formal 'hearing' at this point. Now if they said, 'Bob was never allowed to present any evidence." that would be different.
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                                You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

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                                  Originally posted by CBoylen View Post

                                  I’ve talked to some of my parents that have kids active in other sports (baseball, soccer, football), since I was curious about this. None of them were aware of any Safesport training or restrictions in the other sports. I can’t tell if they just don’t notice, or if the youth sports are so far removed from the national governing bodies there’s no connection, or if it’s because not all popular kids sports are Olympic sports. I tried to figure out the soccer, since it’s the most popular in our area and is an Olympic sport. Our local soccer league that everyone’s kid joins here doesn’t have anything apparent on its website, and the coaches don’t require licensing by their national governing body before a certain level. I would be surprised if many parents new to or outside the horse industry (and the gymnastics, probably) had any idea they were meant to be checking a Safesport list.
                                  I think the biggest difference is youth sports have had this kind of over sight for a lot longer. Most sports are connected through the schools and towns as well. The coaches are volunteer parents or the teachers themselves.

                                  This is the first time the horse world has had any kind of oversight with teeth. That is probably the reason for parents not being as well versed. Like anything else, what are the chances of little Suzy or little Joey playing beyond high school or travel teams?

                                  And let’s face it, when something bad is said about a trainer or barn many people think the person speaking the warning is just bitter. We also are a lot smaller at the lower levels too.

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                                    Originally posted by CBoylen View Post

                                    I’ve talked to some of my parents that have kids active in other sports (baseball, soccer, football), since I was curious about this. None of them were aware of any Safesport training or restrictions in the other sports. I can’t tell if they just don’t notice, or if the youth sports are so far removed from the national governing bodies there’s no connection, or if it’s because not all popular kids sports are Olympic sports. I tried to figure out the soccer, since it’s the most popular in our area and is an Olympic sport. Our local soccer league that everyone’s kid joins here doesn’t have anything apparent on its website, and the coaches don’t require licensing by their national governing body before a certain level. I would be surprised if many parents new to or outside the horse industry (and the gymnastics, probably) had any idea they were meant to be checking a Safesport list.
                                    No, but the basic protocols have been in place for a long time. An adult is never alone with a child. Communications are always to a group or include a parent. When coaches are approved, they're fingerprinted and run through the various databases. Parents don't have to check independently because there are clubs and leagues that already take on that responsibility

                                    Our local youth league website has an incident report form (for good and bad behavior) and a page with the SafeSport law.

                                    If your soccer league is a member of one of the two national youth soccer organizations, they are following the law.
                                    If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                                      I’m sure they are following protocols, my point is that your average parent, even one with experience in other sports, is not conditioned to look up Safesport lists when choosing a coach or trainer. Particularly if their kid is joining the sport on a grass roots or local association level.

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                                        Originally posted by CBoylen View Post
                                        I’m sure they are following protocols, my point is that your average parent, even one with experience in other sports, is not conditioned to look up Safesport lists when choosing a coach or trainer. Particularly if their kid is joining the sport on a grass roots or local association level.
                                        Because the protection and grievance avenues provided by Safe Sport have been in place for average kids playing sports LONG before Safe Sport. For the more common sports, Safe Sport is geared to the more elite levels. For equestrian sports, they are seeing this at all levels for the first time.

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                                          Originally posted by CBoylen View Post
                                          I’m sure they are following protocols, my point is that your average parent, even one with experience in other sports, is not conditioned to look up Safesport lists when choosing a coach or trainer. Particularly if their kid is joining the sport on a grass roots or local association level.
                                          Right, they don't need to. The association is doing that work for them.

                                          Equestrian is unusual in that facilities and coaching aren't usually tied to some umbrella organization, whether local or national. To teach professionally or volunteer in pretty much any other sport or youth activity, you can't even start until they fingerprint and train you.
                                          If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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