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People Attempting to Undermine Safe Sport

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  • Sounds like questions that mimic those used for interrogatories/depositions --do they have standing to sue if they are not a party to any action?

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    • And also information-- in the wrong hands -- to troll/harass/etc. investigators and employees of SS.

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      • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

        Yeah but you use words and write in a very clear manner. I think picture books would convey the information at the comprehension level of the recipient. You could maybe use single words as captions like “bad”, “wrong”, “good”, etc.
        Maybe a Goofus and Gallant sort of approach?

        I probably just seriously dated myself...
        The Evil Chem Prof

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        • Originally posted by Peggy View Post

          Maybe a Goofus and Gallant sort of approach?

          I probably just seriously dated myself...
          Yes, I think you dated yourself, but I'll join you. I doubt Highlights magazine ever envisioned an adult Goofus and Gallant drawn into cartoons depicting them abusing/not abusing minors!

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          • [QUOTE=oreo mom;n10572372]
            Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post

            Just so with the women you're so concerned about.[/QUOTELook at it this way— since the sports world is filled with abusers, all these children will have a head start on on getting what they want through sex. After all their parents sure did!
            You have some rather "interesting" perspectives on societal norms.
            "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

            ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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            • Originally posted by Peggy View Post

              Maybe a Goofus and Gallant sort of approach?

              I probably just seriously dated myself...
              Literally what I was thinking. But with color. I used to wait with zero patience for my Highlights magazine!

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              • Originally posted by skydy View Post

                It seems as if she is fishing for information about who may be the next to be investigated ("we have heard"...), but it's actually difficult for me to understand what she is asking for, because of her writing "style".
                I do believe she is fishing, though she's obviously interested in anything that she can use to discredit SafeSport in the public arenas of social media and the courts. I think that if you were - somehow - able to look carefully at whom she is professionally and personally associated with (outside of the obvious GM wagon hitch) over the past 40 years and her clear role as a spokesperson/figurehead in all of this mess, you might get an idea of what she could be trying to get a handle on and avoid, especially if she's been complicit to or participated in certain activities that SafeSport would be interested in knowing about. Though somewhat prominent she may be as a professional, she's a mystery beyond her long-standing association with GM and a few other professionals, and one can clearly see in every Internet writing about her that there's a level of horn-tooting with her and her circle that is of the same sort we see with these people being removed by SafeSport investigations in various sports. At any rate, her questions can be answered simply by looking at the information already put out there by SafeSport and news reports about the organization and it's work, which took me less than an hour or so to distill from what I've read.
                Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post
                  Jenerationx I do think we need to bust out the CoTH crayons. I claim lavender. Also what about “Justice for Pedos”? Has a nice ring to it, and it’s clear.
                  SBM

                  Justice for Pedos sounds like you want justice for the pedos....or did I miss something lol
                  Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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                  • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post

                    SBM

                    Justice for Pedos sounds like you want justice for the pedos....or did I miss something lol
                    That was for Athletes for Equity’s tag line

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                    • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                      That was for Athletes for Equity’s tag line
                      Ok that makes more sense hahahah
                      Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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                        And... another thing that just strikes me as mind boggling, that I might as well add to this thread.

                        Why in the world would Silver State Pony Club (apparently they are located in Nevada) raise money (over $4000), and then spend it on bringing in the number one George Morris defender to provide an educational opportunity for members? Were there no other national clinicians available for the kids? Perhaps one who isn’t actively fundraising and advocating on behalf of notorious pedophiles?

                        I can understand the adult hunter jumper community struggling to figure out how to continue to manage longtime associations with VERY vocal “I Stand With George” people. I don’t like it... but I guess I can understand it. I can understand how adults like this might be rather tone deaf, especially if they are individuals who are focused on their own riding and competing, and are not connected in a meaningful way to issues involving minors coming up in the sport.

                        But why on earth would a PONY CLUB make this choice? Do they not know that Diane Carney is president of an organization that was SPECIFICALLY formed to fight for “equity” for accused child predators?

                        Does the USPC have any public positions on SafeSport? Are they even aware of the MANY public positions outlined by Diane Carney openly attacking it?

                        The clinic is apparently scheduled for March 21st and 22nd, 2020. The announcement is dated January 13, 2020. The linked bio for DC that is part of the bio mentions her long-standing affiliations with George Morris, and brings his name up multiple times. But makes no mention that he has been BANNED FOR LIFE because of sexual misconduct involving minors.

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                        • Maybe someone should tell them? That is crazy!

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                          • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post
                            Maybe someone should tell them? That is crazy!
                            Their Pony Club website lists the names, phone numbers and email addresses of the board -https://silverstate.ponyclub.org/contact/
                            Inese

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                            • Originally posted by Virginia Horse Mom View Post
                              ...
                              But why on earth would a PONY CLUB make this choice? Do they not know that Diane Carney is president of an organization that was SPECIFICALLY formed to fight for “equity” for accused child predators?

                              Does the USPC have any public positions on SafeSport? Are they even aware of the MANY public positions outlined by Diane Carney openly attacking it?

                              The clinic is apparently scheduled for March 21st and 22nd, 2020. The announcement is dated January 13, 2020. The linked bio for DC that is part of the bio mentions her long-standing affiliations with George Morris, and brings his name up multiple times. But makes no mention that he has been BANNED FOR LIFE because of sexual misconduct involving minors.
                              I suspect that the organizers know nothing about any of this. If I didn't follow COTH on Facebook, visit the forum fairly frequently, and have friends that show hunters and jumpers at USEF rated shows, I certainly wouldn't know anything about Diane Carney, ISWG, or Athletes for Equity. I probably wouldn't even know that George Morris had been banned.

                              "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything
                              that's even remotely true."

                              Homer Simpson

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                              • Originally posted by Inese View Post

                                Their Pony Club website lists the names, phone numbers and email addresses of the board -https://silverstate.ponyclub.org/contact/
                                I couldn’t find anything on their website about it...

                                Virginia Horse Mom where did you see that he’s doing a clinic?

                                ETA: I read that wrong, Diana Carney is doing a clinic. Eh, if they want to spend their money on someone who works to defend their gravy train that’s on them.

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                                  So, I just checked out USPC’c national site.

                                  They do indeed have extensive information concerning safety, and as of 2020, have deliberately chosen to align their member protection training requirements with SafeSport. Their site links to SafeSport information, and they do accept SafeSport training that USEF members complete for their own requirement.

                                  I copied and pasted the following directly from their website...

                                  ”The United States Pony Clubs, Inc. is dedicated to all aspects of safety for our members and volunteers. Beyond the safety issues inherent to riding and working around horses and ponies, we also strive to teach our members, leaders, and volunteers how to identify behaviors that can lead to an unsafe environment, including bullying and child abuse.

                                  U.S. Center for SafeSport’s online training course covers the following topics in-depth:
                                  • Mandatory Reporting
                                  • Sexual Misconduct Awareness Education
                                  • Emotional and Physical Misconduct

                                  The SafeSportTM Trained comprehensive course helps you to recognize if an athlete is being abused, and most importantly you will learn how to prevent this from happening, or how to respond and help if the abuse has already happened. Education and awareness are the most critical components to creating safe and respectful sport environments”

                                  Frankly... if this club knows enough to seek out Diane Carney as a visiting clinician for their membership, then I honestly have a hard time imagining that they know nothing about the George Morris lifetime ban, and the VERY public backlash to SafeSport in the hunter jumper community in the wake of it.

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                                  • Originally posted by Virginia Horse Mom View Post
                                    So, I just checked out USPC’c national site.

                                    They do indeed have extensive information concerning safety, and as of 2020, have deliberately chosen to align their member protection training requirements with SafeSport. Their site links to SafeSport information, and they do accept SafeSport training that USEF members complete for their own requirement.

                                    I copied and pasted the following directly from their website...

                                    ”The United States Pony Clubs, Inc. is dedicated to all aspects of safety for our members and volunteers. Beyond the safety issues inherent to riding and working around horses and ponies, we also strive to teach our members, leaders, and volunteers how to identify behaviors that can lead to an unsafe environment, including bullying and child abuse.

                                    U.S. Center for SafeSport’s online training course covers the following topics in-depth:
                                    • Mandatory Reporting
                                    • Sexual Misconduct Awareness Education
                                    • Emotional and Physical Misconduct

                                    The SafeSportTM Trained comprehensive course helps you to recognize if an athlete is being abused, and most importantly you will learn how to prevent this from happening, or how to respond and help if the abuse has already happened. Education and awareness are the most critical components to creating safe and respectful sport environments”

                                    Frankly... if this club knows enough to seek out Diane Carney as a visiting clinician for their membership, then I honestly have a hard time imagining that they know nothing about the George Morris lifetime ban, and the VERY public backlash to SafeSport in the hunter jumper community in the wake of it.
                                    I get where your coming from. I do. But she, despite her convictions, has every right. She’s also doing a clinic that I know for a fact a friend of mine set up. Do I think she’s an ass? Yes. Do I think people should try to ruin her? No. This is a situation where you have to give someone enough rope because they will hang themselves.

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                                      Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                                      I get where your coming from. I do. But she, despite her convictions, has every right. She’s also doing a clinic that I know for a fact a friend of mine set up. Do I think she’s an ass? Yes. Do I think people should try to ruin her? No. This is a situation where you have to give someone enough rope because they will hang themselves.
                                      My goal is not to ruin DC. I certainly want to point out everything that I see as problematic with her organization, public statements about SafeSport, and her ongoing efforts to undermine it.

                                      And I am certainly pointing out on this thread that I take issue with USEF and USPC saying they are in alignment with SafeSport and the mission of SafeSport... but then having the President of an anti SafeSport organization serve as a licensed official, and highly publicized visiting clinician (the clinic was advertised in TPH).

                                      ynl063w made an interesting point earlier, putting the onus back on the folks involved with Athletes for Equity to either quit USEF, or stop with their anti SafeSport campaign.

                                      I see the issue differently... I think we got to the point we did in terms of NEEDING SafeSport, because for decades NGBs in MULTIPLE sports turned a blind eye to powerful coaches and personalities... who were known to be problematic. It was an issue of organizational politics and an issue of competitive sports, all rolled into one. And people put the issue of the well-being of kids a distant third. So I look at what is going on right now, and am disappointed that the NGB and USPC are not taking on a stronger role in terms of leadership and oversight, given SafeSport and the ongoing conversation. I’m not asking them to boot out anyone as a member, coach or athlete, who is in compliance with the rules. But... do these prominent anti SafeSport voices need to continue on as licensed officials, and highly touted visiting clinicians for children?

                                      That’s my point. I am looking at this, and to me, it raises questions about the sincerity of the commitment to SafeSport by these organizations. That’s a big issue.

                                      I hope that makes more sense.

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                                      • Virginia Horse Mom , I like a lot of your logic. Yes, we deserve SafeSport, much as all these organizations like to complain - we earned it.
                                        I don't care about DC's advocacy.
                                        IF however, she or others say they will not comply, or leave USEF - that's where the line is drawn - then, no, no sponsored clinics, and obviously, no officiating.
                                        It's an interesting question - given that she's an official and licensed by USEF - but as a member, no, I am not going to protest her clinics or officiating.
                                        Great discussion guys!

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                                        • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                                          Yeah but you use words and write in a very clear manner. I think picture books would convey the information at the comprehension level of the recipient. You could maybe use single words as captions like “bad”, “wrong”, “good”, etc.
                                          And "confusing". Need probably two or through "confusing"'s in that letter Virginia Horse Mom is typing up.

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