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  • Drop dead gorgeous warm blood mare, what would you do

    i have a 10 yr old Oldenburg mare that I bought as a 4 yr , green broke. She is really a 10 mover, won any hack class she was entered at big shows. However, can never keep her sound. First 2 x front legs suspensionary injuries. Next left foot not really navicular changes, but off, MRI really didn’t show anything but a small spur. Was unjected and sound with previous. Next, this year off in right front and both hind legs. Injected both front coffins and hind hocks. Two weeks later still off.

    i don’t want to keep her on previous as it’s not healthy for her kidneys.

    i know it sounds horrible, but I’m in my 60’s and while she may be serviceable sound for trails, I’m getting afraid to ride. Probably because itis never consistent. I just wanted a horse to w/t/c and do small cross poles.

    Everyone and and I mean everyone mentions how beautiful she is, and she is and she is sweet. But,... beauty only goes so far.

    What at would you do?

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    Could she be a broodmare?

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      No, she’s never been sound, so I don’t think that would be a wise decision

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        Originally posted by BITSA View Post
        Could she be a broodmare?
        Originally posted by Just an amateur View Post
        No, she’s never been sound, so I don’t think that would be a wise decision
        Thank you for being a voice of reason on your own thread! I am guessing there is a reason for the constant injuries, i.e. conformation problems. If that is the case, this is the last mare that should ever be turned into a broodmare as the same problems could end up being past down to her foals. Just because they have a uterus doesn't mean they should be bred.

        Based on the information you provided and your current circumstances, I would find yourself a better mount that will allow you to spend money on lessons and shows rather than on veterinary bills. Is it possible to find someone that would be interested in her as a pasture mate or trail horse?

        Pretty is great, but if you can't keep her sound enough to ride, a super sound ugly horse is probably looking pretty good at this point.
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        • #5
          If you can afford to or have your own farm/space, I'd perhaps try a year of Dr Green and see how she comes back after some time off. Maybe lease something in that time so you can continue riding.

          If this isn't something you are able to do, well, for a perpetually unsound horse (which means they're in frequent, if not constant, pain), euthanasia is not an unkind option. Everyone has their own opinion on this, but I personally think it is rather irresponsible to "rehome" unsound horses. They have a significantly greater risk of ending up abused, neglected, or off to slaughter.

          Very sorry for this tough situation you're in.
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          • #6
            Can you have her tested for dsld?

            You can try retiring her to pasture and see how she does.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Just an amateur View Post
              i have a 10 yr old Oldenburg mare that I bought as a 4 yr , green broke. She is really a 10 mover, won any hack class she was entered at big shows. However, can never keep her sound. First 2 x front legs suspensionary injuries. Next left foot not really navicular changes, but off, MRI really didn’t show anything but a small spur. Was unjected and sound with previous. Next, this year off in right front and both hind legs. Injected both front coffins and hind hocks. Two weeks later still off.

              i don’t want to keep her on previous as it’s not healthy for her kidneys.

              i know it sounds horrible, but I’m in my 60’s and while she may be serviceable sound for trails, I’m getting afraid to ride. Probably because itis never consistent. I just wanted a horse to w/t/c and do small cross poles.

              Everyone and and I mean everyone mentions how beautiful she is, and she is and she is sweet. But,... beauty only goes so far.

              What at would you do?
              I would do equinox every 36 hours. It works well and is kinder to the renal system.

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              • #8
                Your post feels like you want people to say euthanasia is an okay option.

                Euthanasia is an okay option.

                Horses are unbelievably expensive and many can live for years if not decades with injuries that prevent them from being riding sound. This is not walking away from a horse without getting a lameness exam. It sounds like you have invested significant time and resources into a horse who is highly unlikely to stay sound even in light work.

                If her demeanor is such that she could be a pasture ornament and walking trail horse, I'd consider a free long term lease locally where you could keep an eye on her. If you do not feel that it is a viable option and do not have the resources to let her be a pasture ornament for 15 years while having a second horse, I don't think euthanasia is an unreasonable option.

                Horses live in the moment. They do not have a concept of their own mortality. They mask pain very well and will try to maintain a normal level of activity even when uncomfortable.

                Letting a ten year old horse go is not something every person will condone. Some close to you may pass judgment because it is easy to judge than to try and understand. In time they will come to respect your decision or it will give you clarity about whether they are people you want to remain close to in the future.

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                • #9
                  As a Hail Mary, have you been using the same farrier this whole time? You might switch that up or get a podiatrist in the loop. Some horses just can’t tolerate even kind of funny angles.

                  That said, if you’re tired of chasing down injuries, giving her to a rescue or ending her life are your decisions to make. I won’t fault you for either.

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                  • #10
                    If she's sweet you could try to find a pet home for her but that's soooo hard to find.
                    Donation to a university for post-mortem dissection and imaging may give you some closure/answers. So sorry about this.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by atl_hunter View Post

                      I would do equinox every 36 hours. It works well and is kinder to the renal system.
                      previcox = equioxx = firocoxib

                      I am assuming that autocorrect, which is not always your friend, is wreaking havoc with the drug names in this thread.
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                      • #12
                        I would try the equioxx. Its very safe comparatively and when you are talking about Hail Mary out of ideas options, it’s worth a try.
                        There are horses that have been on equioxx for 10+ years with no issues.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Just an amateur View Post
                          i have a 10 yr old Oldenburg mare that I bought as a 4 yr , green broke. She is really a 10 mover, won any hack class she was entered at big shows. However, can never keep her sound. First 2 x front legs suspensionary injuries. Next left foot not really navicular changes, but off, MRI really didn’t show anything but a small spur. Was unjected and sound with previous. Next, this year off in right front and both hind legs. Injected both front coffins and hind hocks. Two weeks later still off.

                          i don’t want to keep her on previous as it’s not healthy for her kidneys.

                          i know it sounds horrible, but I’m in my 60’s and while she may be serviceable sound for trails, I’m getting afraid to ride. Probably because itis never consistent. I just wanted a horse to w/t/c and do small cross poles.

                          Everyone and and I mean everyone mentions how beautiful she is, and she is and she is sweet. But,... beauty only goes so far.

                          What at would you do?
                          Has your mare ever been tested for Cushings?? Often times horses that have repeat injuries and soundness issues can be due to Cushings disease ...i would have your vet pull some blood ..do a TRH stim ..which they will take a pre blood sample, give TRH stim injection, wait 10 minutes then take post TRH stim sample...this will accurately test your mares acth levels ...and if if comes back high then you treat with Prascend(Pergolide) ...it was a game changer for a TB of mine that you would never of suspected had Cushings ...he’s never been sounder ! Also you might want to test for Lyme while you are at it ...these are simple things to test for that might be missing links to your soundness puzzle ...it’s worth a try since you’ve put all this time and money so far .
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                          • #14
                            Yes, run a blood panel and whatever other tests specifically looking for Lyme, Cushings, EPM and whatever else has been suggested. You have to specifically look for signs of most of these. EPM particularly mimics many other conditions but you can’t find it unless you specifically look for it. Anecdotally, WBs seem to be hit harder by EPM, it does not exist in Europe and those horses don’t have the benefit of many, many generations of tolerance built up in of our NA native stock.

                            Its just an idea but would certainly want to rule these common culprits out before making any decisions.

                            Do know somebody with a TB experiencing very similar symptoms to those described that eventually discovered Lyme and NPAs in front after specifically looking and testing for those, she spent thousands in previous diagnostics that missed these.
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                            • #15
                              What about a recipient mare for ET? Her genetics would not affect the foal and she'd have a useful life, allowing you to get a more suitable partner. Just a thought.
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                              • #16
                                I'm not clear on what you are asking. The horse is both lame, and you aren't comfortable riding her anyway. Your options are pretty clear:
                                1) Euthanize--totally reasonable option. More humane than giving a lame horse away to a home where it will likely end up neglected or at auction.
                                2) Try to get her serviceably sound and then lease her or give her away. Drawback: you might spend a lot of time and $$$ on vet bills with no results, and if you lease her or give her away it's unlikely that whoever you place her with is going to want to continue expensive treatments/therapies/shoeing that keep her sound and she could end up neglected or at auction anyway.

                                Physical beauty is worth $00.00 in the setting of a lame horse that has never been able to consistently do any work.

                                I strongly commend you for not entertaining using this mare as a broodmare, that would be horribly foolish and unethical. In addition to not using her as a broodmare yourself, I would think you would also want to be careful that she does not end up in a situation where she is used as a broodmare either.

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                                • #17
                                  I have a client who bought a gorgeous mare to get to the National level shows. Two weeks after PPE and purchase, mare started a roller coaster of lamenesses. We strongly suspect a genetic component, although blood panels could not conclusively diagnose. It's been heartbreaking. We so worry that someone will try to breed her that owner has decided to keep her as long as she can, and probably euth if keeping her does not continue to be an option. I'm sorry OP.

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                                  • #18
                                    I knew someone a long time ago who donated and unrideable, but otherwise sound and well mannered horse (some kind of neuro issue) to a vet clinic as a blood donor. I guess the clinic kept a number of horses there for the sole purpose of blood donation. Perhaps you could see if any practices around you do something similar? She would probably be very well taken care of.

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                                    • #19
                                      I think if she's sound with previcox that that's a very reasonable long term treatment. If it hurts her kidneys, then you deal with that then, but it doesn't seem like there's much to lose there. I have a horse that has been very happy on it for years.

                                      You may be able to give her away to someone who is willing to keep experimenting. If she is quiet and kind there may be options. If she stays sound in walk work there may be a home where that is all she needs to do. A euthanasia solution is not wrong either.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Jumphigh83 View Post
                                        What about a recipient mare for ET? Her genetics would not affect the foal and she'd have a useful life, allowing you to get a more suitable partner. Just a thought.
                                        Still might not be good since the mare suffers from lameness already.

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