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  • #21
    I don't want to prejudge anyone. However everone at this level should know about drug testing and why would they change what they ingest at a major international competition?
    Blugal

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    • #22
      Does anyone else think it’s kind of weird they drug test equestrians anyways? It’s not like doing cocaine is going to give her a competitive edge here.

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      • #23
        If in fact the tea was the cause of the positive (I actually believe this) I’m still stunned that Nikki thought she could ingest any old thing ...her horse is monitored up the ying yang on what it eats let alone what touches it (read liniment/hoof ointment). It’s ULTIMATELY the responsibility of every ATHLETE to be aware of their surroundings and what they ingest. It’s is stated in a few articles that this tea or coffee is known as a “pick me up” akin to Red Bull...maybe mull that over of WHAT ingredients are in it to cause this reaction...guaranteed something that wouldn’t be kosher on a drug test to catch performance enhancing drugs..not smart at all
        Your village is calling. Apparently their idiot is missing!

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        • #24
          Originally posted by StormyDay View Post
          Does anyone else think it’s kind of weird they drug test equestrians anyways? It’s not like doing cocaine is going to give her a competitive edge here.
          It would not necessarily be to give a edge...maybe you went on a bender before the competition and it took longer to clear your system then you thought...
          Your village is calling. Apparently their idiot is missing!

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          • #25
            I am gutted for her and the team. For everyone critical of her ingesting a foreign substance before the competition, consider that she was in a foreign country where the culture is to drink this tea. It sounds harmless enough, and if someone were to say "hey, you're in Peru, try this tea we drink here, it'll help with your altitude sickness" I probably wouldn't suspect that I'd test positive for cocaine later. Sure, someone theoretically should have known and warned all the athletes, but I don't think she was negligent. All conjecture on my part, by the way. They aren't saying much due to the appeal proceedings.

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            • #26
              I think that if you were a coke user that the reported feelings of euphoria and power and infalibility might feel like a useful prep for a big risky show jumping course.

              Generally people that are functioning addicts or frequent users like and enjoy the effects of their drug of choice on their everyday life. While those of us who don't feel comfortable going about things muddled end up staying clean. I can't imagine even drinking a beer before I ride. I've never done coke. But from what I've read, a certain kind of personality might find the effects of coke to seem performance enhancing at least for a while. Think of all the rock musicians who perform three sheets to the wind.

              I believe Eric LaMaze had some problems this way as a young man.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Blugal View Post
                I don't want to prejudge anyone. However everone at this level should know about drug testing and why would they change what they ingest at a major international competition?
                I think the story of the coca tea being the source of the positive result is very plausible, and I can totally see a casual tourist trying it in the interest of experiencing local items. However, a world class athlete on a team that is trying to secure an Olympic berth is not exactly a casual tourist. One would think that the coach/chef/national federation rep or someone of that ilk would share the responsibility for researching and making the athletes aware of things like that to avoid.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by YEG View Post
                  I am gutted for her and the team. For everyone critical of her ingesting a foreign substance before the competition, consider that she was in a foreign country where the culture is to drink this tea. It sounds harmless enough, and if someone were to say "hey, you're in Peru, try this tea we drink here, it'll help with your altitude sickness" I probably wouldn't suspect that I'd test positive for cocaine later. Sure, someone theoretically should have known and warned all the athletes, but I don't think she was negligent. All conjecture on my part, by the way. They aren't saying much due to the appeal proceedings.
                  Except Lima is at sea level, so no altitude sickness excuse, and she would have had to actively try to obtain the tea, because I can't imagine it would have been available in the athletes village or secure competition/stabling areas. Especially since it doesn't seem like anyone else has tested positive for cocaine or any of its metabolites at this event. Be a tourist all you want when you're finished competing. Don't make bad choices before or during the competition.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
                    I think that if you were a coke user that the reported feelings of euphoria and power and infalibility might feel like a useful prep for a big risky show jumping course.

                    Generally people that are functioning addicts or frequent users like and enjoy the effects of their drug of choice on their everyday life. While those of us who don't feel comfortable going about things muddled end up staying clean. I can't imagine even drinking a beer before I ride. I've never done coke. But from what I've read, a certain kind of personality might find the effects of coke to seem performance enhancing at least for a while. Think of all the rock musicians who perform three sheets to the wind.

                    I believe Eric LaMaze had some problems this way as a young man.
                    Yes, I guess for some people it could help with anxiety. I doubt that it would truly give a real competitive edge, especially long term, however.
                    I’ve always been in the ‘help the person don’t punish them’ camp with drugs. If someone feels the need to do illegal, dangerous, and life destroying drugs, there are issues going on that they need help with, not a punishment.

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                    • #30
                      They gave me coca tea when I was suffering from altitude sickness in Bogota - it's weird to me that someone would drink it unthinkingly, since everyone makes a big deal about it being from the same plant as cocaine (it really does help with altitude sickness as an aside). I mean, when you're at that level, you have to be paranoid about cold medication and all sorts of things.

                      If it's innocent, it's a real shame and a hard way to learn that lesson.

                      As a second aside, 100% cocaine could be used in a performance-enhancing manner for a jumper (or any athlete, really). It boosts confidence and focus, arguably. It has a real impact on your brain functioning.
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Moosequito View Post

                        Except Lima is at sea level, so no altitude sickness excuse, and she would have had to actively try to obtain the tea, because I can't imagine it would have been available in the athletes village or secure competition/stabling areas. Especially since it doesn't seem like anyone else has tested positive for cocaine or any of its metabolites at this event. Be a tourist all you want when you're finished competing. Don't make bad choices before or during the competition.
                        FEI athletes are subject to out of competition testing as well, so no coca tea period, if they're smart.

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                        • #32
                          I hope there are more exacting tests of the samples that are available to find the source of the metabolites. I'm not scientifically educated enough to know if it is feasible or even possible.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by skydy View Post
                            I hope there are more exacting tests of the samples that are available to find the source of the metabolites. I'm not scientifically educated enough to know if it is feasible or even possible.
                            The tea is made from steeping fresh coca leaves and cocaine is made from extracting and concentrating and drying the active ingredient in fresh coca leaves. So I'm not sure how you could distinguish between the two sources from a urine or blood sample.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by Scribbler View Post

                              The tea is made from steeping fresh coca leaves and cocaine is made from extracting and concentrating and drying the active ingredient in fresh coca leaves. So I'm not sure how you could distinguish between the two sources from a urine or blood sample.
                              Yes, I was wondering though if perhaps there was some way of distinguishing metabolites of processed cocaine from the metabolites of the tea. I think that it is possible to differentiate, in the case of poppy seeds causing a narcotic positive test.

                              If it is not possible, then the FEI has no choice but to disqualify the rider.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by Horsegirl's Mom View Post
                                It's a shame there is such a long gap between taking the test and getting the results. It seems pretty crucial that she find some witnesses who can support her story that she consumed coca tea--her dining companions, or maybe the restaurant can dig up the receipt...

                                Her explanation seems plausible to me, but I could imagine the authorities won't accept it without supporting evidence.
                                What good would it do to have witnesses to the tea drinking? That wouldn't eliminate the possibility that a person used cocaine and later also had some coca tea. (And in fact, people who did cocaine could use that as a cover up/excuse by just purposely drinking the tea in front of a bunch of people.)
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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by MHM View Post

                                  Didn’t Lamaze just show at Toronto last week? Won the leading rider award, I think? And isn’t he talking about aiming for the Olympics?

                                  Yes, he has health problems, and Canada will need to replace him eventually, along with every other rider who retires. But this post reminds me of the Monty Python line.
                                  My understanding is that his goal is the Tokyo Olympics and then after that he plans to focus on sales and training riders due to his health.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by willowoodstables View Post
                                    If in fact the tea was the cause of the positive (I actually believe this) I’m still stunned that Nikki thought she could ingest any old thing ...her horse is monitored up the ying yang on what it eats let alone what touches it (read liniment/hoof ointment). It’s ULTIMATELY the responsibility of every ATHLETE to be aware of their surroundings and what they ingest. It’s is stated in a few articles that this tea or coffee is known as a “pick me up” akin to Red Bull...maybe mull that over of WHAT ingredients are in it to cause this reaction...guaranteed something that wouldn’t be kosher on a drug test to catch performance enhancing drugs..not smart at all
                                    I mean, it’s also used to treat altitude sickness, so maybe someone told her that?

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by furlong47 View Post

                                      What good would it do to have witnesses to the tea drinking? That wouldn't eliminate the possibility that a person used cocaine and later also had some coca tea. (And in fact, people who did cocaine could use that as a cover up/excuse by just purposely drinking the tea in front of a bunch of people.)
                                      It wouldn't eliminate the possibility she used cocaine, but it would make it more credible or more likely that coca tea might be the culprit. It is analogous to a court case: if you have 5 witnesses who support your alibi, the jury is more likely to believe it than if you claim you were elsewhere but no one saw you.

                                      Now, as someone else pointed out, it is possible the drug testing authority has a zero tolerance policy--i.e., no matter how innocent the explanation (like provable cross-contamination or a prescription for a legit medication that somehow causes a false positive), they consider the test result decisive. But I know in the cycling world, they do allow the athlete to contest or explain the test result (though granted that is rarely successful)... so I wonder if it works the same here.

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                                      • #39
                                        She is the daughter of Belinda Stronach, super rich elite people. Life of Riley, I'm sure they never do coke for fun! I may be completely wrong, but don't believe it for a second.Too bad for her and the team she got caught.

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                                        • #40
                                          I don't think there is any question that she will be eliminated from the competition where she tested positive, and the team score will be adjusted to exclude her. If she can prove with receipts/witnesses/concentration in blood that it was from tea - the FEI might show her some leniency in terms of how long her suspension from sport is. Maybe she'd only get 6 months or 1 year.

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