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  • starr331, you might want to bump that thread of yours with the request for barns/vets in your area. Just post something at the bottom of the thread to get it back in front of people.
    ~~ How do you catch a loose horse? Make a noise like a carrot! - British Cavalry joke ~~


    • looks like right side muscle atrophy to me, and possibly a lower hip on right side, however that could be his paint marking making an optical illusion on hip height. Make sure your vet looks at that.


      • Originally posted by starr331
        ++ I have a vet now! Hopefully will be getting some definitive answers soon.
        Great news! Please let us know how that goes.

        And post the xrays (old ones once you have them and new ones if you have new pics of the spine or elsewhere taken). There are many here that are very good at reading them and explaining what they see.
        ~~ How do you catch a loose horse? Make a noise like a carrot! - British Cavalry joke ~~


        • thats great news! let us know when your appt is many will be waiting eagerly for results. Star seems to have a fan club now.


          • I noted that the name of the horse on the x-ray is Majestic Peppers Pistol. Is that the registered name of your horse? I thought it was slightly different. Could that account for the age discrepancy?

            One other possibility: You'll probably want to contact the vet who did the x-rays directly and ask him/her about the age of the horse he radiographed and examined. It's not unknown for a less than ethical seller to switch a horse on PPE day for the vet to examine, particularly if the buyer is not there, and particularly if the seller thinks that the horse actually being sold might not do well on the exam. It's possible that these x-rays are not of the horse you actually bought. (Just a thought on my part).

            Do you have any physical description from the PPE vet of the horse he examined?
            "The formula 'Two and two make five' is not without its attractions." --Dostoevsky


            • do his markings match those shown on his apha papers EXACTLY? And if they subbed in a horse, that horse has arthritic changes too


              • Originally posted by starr331

                Markings are exactly the same. He also has a "small horse measurement form" used for the National Dressage Pony Cup, and his markings are the same on there as well. I also just realized he is 15.3 and not the 15.1 hands written on his ad. I figured he was taller, but that is quite a difference.

                If they changed horses, they didn't use a very good substitute because the vet report is not great. The vet reported pain and lameness during the exam (I was told by my trainer that it was normal and a result of his long toes.) This may be far-fetched, but could it be that JC lied to the vet about Star's age during the exam?
                Man your “trainer” is a piece of work. Deep breaths. Show the new vet his supposed x-rays. Have new ones taken especially in the back and neck. Everything is water under the bridge at this point and go into the vet appointment as if none of this happened. Your new vet isn’t connected to the trainer right?


                • It's quite common for vets to make a mistake on age or name. 2000 for 2010 or 19 for 9 is an easy mistake to make. Small mistakes don't invalidate the x-rays. The seller wouldn't necessarily notice small errors like that.

                  Age or DOB matters on ID documents like registration papers, Coggins and bill of sale.



                  • Originally posted by starr331

                    Not to my knowledge, no. He was recommended to me by a close family friend whose daughter used to practice equine medicine.
                    Very good


                    • I've had vets makes mistakes, or be too lazy to type, info into the x-ray computer before. No harm in asking the vet that is coming out to take a peak at his teeth and confirm his age for you.


                      • arabiansrock I really enjoyed your success story with your boy, lucky horse!

                        starr331 You deserve a trophy for your handling of all of this (where's that icon?). I appreciate that you've been keeping us updated. So often as a reader one is left wondering how these situations will turn out.

                        Also impressed with how you've gained such an immense amount of information in just a handful of days.

                        Rooting for ya
                        One touch of nature makes the whole world kin.
                        William Shakespeare


                        • Following along and hoping for the best outcome for the OP and her horse.
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                          • I think that date on the rads is probably an oops from that vet's office or assistant who typed stuff up. Or they heard it wrong or something. I'd go by the registration papers (as long as the description matches the horse). And the name would be easy enough to mix up. It is a bit of a tongue twister (and it least it is for me, as I'm phonetically challenged).

                            You could always track down his breeder using the sire listed on his registration form. They would have no reason to fib to you about the horses' true age.
                            ~~ How do you catch a loose horse? Make a noise like a carrot! - British Cavalry joke ~~


                            • Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
                              It's quite common for vets to make a mistake on age or name. 2000 for 2010 or 19 for 9 is an easy mistake to make. Small mistakes don't invalidate the x-rays. The seller wouldn't necessarily notice small errors like that.

                              Age or DOB matters on ID documents like registration papers, Coggins and bill of sale.


                              Just wondering out loud though...if a vet read the —rays thinking it was an 18 year old horse, would he not be ‘OK’ with things that would not be OK on a 6 year old?

                              Unremarkable for age would mean something different.

                              Maybe not at all relevant, just took.a walk through my mind.
                              "He's not even a good pathological liar." Mara

                              "You're just a very desperate troll, and not even a good one. You're like middle-school troll at best. Like a goblin, not even a troll." et_fig


                              • Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
                                It's quite common for vets to make a mistake on age or name. 2000 for 2010 or 19 for 9 is an easy mistake to make. Small mistakes don't invalidate the x-rays. The seller wouldn't necessarily notice small errors like that.

                                Age or DOB matters on ID documents like registration papers, Coggins and bill of sale.

                                Except they got the month, day AND year wrong on the DOB, so less likely that it is just a typo.
                                "So relax! Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit." Crash Davis; Bull Durham


                                • Originally posted by MissAriel View Post

                                  Except they got the month, day AND year wrong on the DOB, so less likely that it is just a typo.
                                  But if they had a horse in their system already with that very similar name they messed up on too, the computer person might have selected that wrong horse and that birth date is correct for that horse. So the computer person selected the wrong horse name and that date goes with that horse. Easy enough thing to do.

                                  The only place that birthdate is wrong is on the PPE vets records. The registrations and all other ppw matches the horse.

                                  starr331 - locate the breeder. And confirm with them that your horse and his registration ppw is all in order. The ppe vet will only know what he was told, unless your horse was a previous client of his - then he should be able to straighten this out pretty quickly.
                                  ~~ How do you catch a loose horse? Make a noise like a carrot! - British Cavalry joke ~~


                                  • I would think his teeth would be the telling difference between 9 and 19. The new vet should be able to look in his mouth, no xray required, and be able to tell you if he looks closer to 19 than 9.



                                    • I would call the vet that took the x rays back and tell them you think they sent the wrong x rays and to resend them. That is a very odd mistake. If they can't clarify the issue, i would ask to speak to the vet that examined the horse and specifically ask the vet to look at pictures of your horse and confirm that is the horse he examined and took x rays of.

                                      Be sure to tell them the x rays have the wrong horses name and date of birth.

                                      You could take new x rays and compare them with the old ones, especially if you are suspicious of them being from a different horse.

                                      With the new vet be careful of telling them what x rays you want. I would ask for a lameness exam, starting with palpating the topline, flexions on all 4 legs, x rays and possibly blocks if you want to locate the lameness

                                      I believe the muscle atropy is an optical illusion because of his brown spot right in the center of his rump. So the muscles might not be the problem, more likely the arthritis is. But ask the vet about that as well. The horse must be standing completely square to see atrophy.


                                      • I would have your hew vet check his age as well, just in case.


                                        • Sending you a virtual hug {{{{{@starr331}}}}}. If I weren't 1,000 miles away, I would give you one in person.

                                          Go do something fun, to divert your mind from all this. Or go pet your pony. That always helps me.
                                          ~~ How do you catch a loose horse? Make a noise like a carrot! - British Cavalry joke ~~