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  • Originally posted by starr331

    Nope, she is there every day. She's currently severely understaffed, so she has no days off. She's already suspicious that I'm not scheduling lessons or riding Star. Luckily, I had a surgery a few weeks ago that I can blame it on haha. I'm currently trying to get in contact with a friend who knows someone who owns a barn in my area. It's okay for me to tell the vet beforehand about the situation with my trainer, right? So they don't accidentally contact her or anything like that?
    If the vet calls your trainer and your trainer has a problem, remind her that she works for you. Don’t worry about what that trainer thinks. I can bet she already has a bad reputation

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    • I would look for another barn and move him ASAP, don't worry about making her suspicious, you've done nothing wrong and it's not a relationship worth salvaging. Just say you're changing barns and will stay end of month/whatever you've paid for, and move to a boarding barn or someplace else in your price range for now.

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      • So sorry you are going through this! If you are suspicious that your trainer may drug him, have them pull blood at the vet exam. They don't actually have to do the drug test; they can hold the blood and if it is needed later they can run a drug test on it.

        I agree that you should get your personal stuff out that has value in case this turns ugly.

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        • OP - in the future, another not mentioned huge red flag here is that with all the difficulty you've had trying to get this horse to jump (which by the way are the first red flag as all all scream pain/discomfort related), your "trainer" has never gotten on it or tried to jump the horse for you.

          All possible pain issues aside, if you are having that much difficulty - a) any instructor or trainer worth their salt would have stopped the jumping way before it got to the point of the horse refusing that much and b) would have gotten on and schooled the horse for you.

          Unless the instructor/coach/trainer has physical issues such that they can't currently ride (and usually, with these types of trainers, their former resume as a rider is pretty easy to verify), if your instructor/trainer won't get on the horse for you, then they either A) lack the skills to ride the horse through the issue or B) think the horse is dangerous or a combo of A) and B). Good trainers that are physically limited from getting on the horse usually have an assistant or other rider in their program to do this part for them, or they only take on riders/horses that are quite competent on their own.

          Be wary of riding school type situations with instructors that call themselves trainers. A lot of people can be a riding "instructor" - where they teach people to ride to a relatively novice level on school horses. A "trainer" can not only teach the rider, but also develop the horse by training it and implement a program for the education of both the horse and rider as a team.

          When you are looking for a new barn, this is something to keep in mind. You may want to look for a more general boarding barn with good care, where you can access an in-house trainer or where they have one or more freelance coaches/trainers coming into the barn. Keeping boarding and training separate can be avery good way to avoid future scammers, in my experience. I'm sure posters on this board in your area can certainly help you with recommendations of good places/people.





          Proud Member of the "Tidy Rabbit Tinfoil Hat Wearers" clique and the "I'm in my 30's and Hope to be a Good Rider Someday" clique

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          • oh wow. This whole story kept me reading! OP you have had some fine COTH people jump on here, without judging you and give you good sound advice. And you've listened. My sincere wishes that you can find your way forward, and expose the people who burnt you, and this horse, so badly.

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            • Alternatively, if you HAVE to tell her, you can schedule the vet for one day, tell her that it's the day after or a few days after that, then when you and the vet show up just say the vet had called and needed to move up the appointment and you didn't get a chance to let her know. That was she won't get a chance to do anything to him because she won't know when he is coming. And you can just say he is coming out to like, idk, check his teeth or something simple like that.

              ...maybe tell her the appt is a week or so later than it actually is, if it's a few days and she reeeally wanted to sabotage it she could bute the horse for a few days before the appt to make sure it's in his system.

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              • OP in addition to checking the back for kissing spine, also have the pelvis checked for a pelvic fracture. The fact that his hips are unlevel, and his ribcage is out to one side is highly suspicious for a pelvic fracture. this horse must be a saint if he has been jumping for you and has not tossed you into the next county. I know others are saying send him back, and IF you can get your money back that is probably best, however, if the vet is able to figure out what is wrong, and thinks there is a good chance of returning him to soundness (albeit with maintenance) since he seems to be such a saint he might be worth holding onto., ONLY if vet thinks there is a good shot at rehab.

                I also am very sorry this happened to you. I also once bought an unsound horse. turned out he had an old pelvic fracture and could not hold up to work. I honestly do not think the trainer who sold him to me knew that tho. She just didn't ride him very often (had too many in barn to sell) so I don't think she rode him enough to know he wouldn't hold up.
                good luck to you

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                • I am so very sorry that you are going through this, OP. Your " trainer" is despicable taking advantage of you like this. Can your parents or a trusted adult help you? This whole situation sounds overwhelming for someone your age. IMHO, you sound like you don't have the funds or the experience to own a horse yet. I'm disgusted that so many people let you down. Now you have to do the best you can for the horse; get him to a new barn ASAP, have a vet give him a thorough exam, and then consider selling him or trying to find a good retirement place for him, if possible. Ask on this board for recommendations for a new barn and trainer and then maybe lease a horse for awhile. It is a very hard life lesson for you and I hope you and Star will come out of it unscathed.

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                  • Originally posted by starr331

                    He was a dressage horse, he was and still is really good at it. Went to a lot of shows, registered USEF. They started jumping him this year, he was doing 2feet but I brought him down to tiny jumps because he is seriously bad at distances. He did have a vet check before I got him and I rode him before I bought him as well. The vets cleared him for jumping at that time. Looking back at the videos from when I tried him, he still was pinning his ears back and swishing his tail and somewhat quick after the jump. I am considering having a vet check him out, but money is tight these days.
                    Are you staying off his back on landing? He may not like you sitting down too early or firmly.
                    "Punch him in the wiener. Then leave." AffirmedHope

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                    • Originally posted by CindyCRNA View Post

                      Are you staying off his back on landing? He may not like you sitting down too early or firmly.
                      CindyCRNA this thread has gone far beyond those basics, it's a really interesting and complicated story.

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                      • Originally posted by KBC View Post
                        Grabs another cup of coffee, waits for the “you don’t know me or my horse”
                        That's a bingo square isn't it?
                        "Punch him in the wiener. Then leave." AffirmedHope

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                        • Originally posted by Scribbler View Post

                          CindyCRNA this thread has gone far beyond those basics, it's a really interesting and complicated story.
                          I'm going back and reading now. And I printed out my bingo card.
                          "Punch him in the wiener. Then leave." AffirmedHope

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                          • Given the horse's history, where it seems like he was a productive citizen doing dressage and combined tests and then something went off the rails, I suspect he suffered some kind of injury, like a fall. But that's just a guess.

                            Definitely find out from the vet: (1) how realistic it is to rehab the horse to the point where he is comfortable doing the kind of work you want him to do [if, indeed, the horse needs some kind of rehab]; and (2) how much it will cost to do this.

                            Rehabbing horses can get very expensive. We took on a horse with a suspensory issue. My daughter got some good use out of her, and we love her (she is retired now), but I can't tell you how many thousands of dollars I probably spent on vet visits, ultrasounds, shockwave, injections... you name it. You get into a mode where you think, "well maybe if we just do this one more thing..."

                            Since you have budget constraints (most of us do), definitely try to get frank information from the vet on the potential costs of keeping this horse.

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                            • starr331 331 Hey I don’t suppose you have this guy insured at all?
                              "He's not even a good pathological liar." Mara

                              "You're just a very desperate troll, and not even a good one. You're like middle-school troll at best. Like a goblin, not even a troll." et_fig

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                              • Originally posted by starr331

                                I did for the first few weeks in case, but I was looking for a good insurance company before all this happened, so not yet.
                                That makes little sense to me, to be honest a lot of this still makes little sense to me!

                                Why would you insure him fir a few weeks, then terminate it, THEN start looking for a decent company?

                                There is a whole lot here that is sounding less and less like fresh caught fish, and like something with a stronger aroma.

                                OR

                                Not, is it to early to open the carbordeaux ?
                                "He's not even a good pathological liar." Mara

                                "You're just a very desperate troll, and not even a good one. You're like middle-school troll at best. Like a goblin, not even a troll." et_fig

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                                • Originally posted by KBC View Post

                                  There is a whole lot here that is sounding less and less like fresh caught fish, and like something with a stronger aroma.

                                  OR

                                  Not, is it to early to open the carbordeaux ?
                                  I have been thinking the same for a number of pages... we have...

                                  Young person (17/18) who doesn't know what she doesn't know (except she knows long toes when she sees them)
                                  Apparently has no parents who can advise her but are likely her source of financial support
                                  Has within the last few months been out of the country and has had surgery
                                  And has made a fairly involved first horse purchase (horse is ten hours away)
                                  From a shady woo-woo farrier/dealer
                                  On the advice of a toxic trainer (understand they are out there, been there done that) who doesn't have enough help

                                  The sad thing is that there are legitimately enough crazies and frauds in the horse bidness that it is all within the realm of possible if not probable.


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                                  • Like the woo-woo.

                                    carbordeaux = cardboard boxed wine

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                                    • Not to get off topic here, but I think it is unkind to be making light of this thread given the unfortunate turn of events.

                                      OP I am very sorry this happened to you. It sounds like you want to do right by the horse. That’s a very good thing as horses like these can easily slip through the cracks to a not so happy ending.

                                      You’ve gotten a lot of wonderful advice here, as stated before there are so many extremely knowledgeable people on COTH who are generous enough to share their wisdom with others. You’ve also gotten bombarded with some replies than are rather interrogative. Reading all of it I could honestly understand why someone might become defensive if they were on the receiving end of it.

                                      From my experiences on this forum, that’s pretty much par for the course. People are extremely suspicious of first time posters and there is no such thing as the benefit of the doubt, for the most part. But as I said before, there really are a lot of very knowledgeable and kind people on here too. You have to have thick skin to start a thread here. All things considered I think you handled yourself pretty well.

                                      Best of luck to you and your horse.

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                                      • Originally posted by starr331

                                        I truly don't believe I have to talk in depth about every detail of my life. I feel like I've made a fool of myself and have no idea why I would possibly lie about this, so this comment feels somewhat disrespectful. The USA is not my country of origin, and I go to visit family and friends in the summertime, so there's that. To question my parents or my health is out of line. I fully appreciate all of the helpful comments I've gotten, I am worried for my horse, but I've gotten many comments like this from the same people. I'm naive, and I trusted someone who did me wrong. But I'm trying to learn from this and, most importantly, give this horse a good life. I just feel like these comments are useless. Do you get so many trolls on this forum that you have to question every thing?
                                        I suggest just focusing on the helpful advice (of which there is usually a fair amount) and ignoring anything you find unhelpful or too personal, rather than engaging in a discussion about it. Good luck with your horse.

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                                        • Originally posted by Groom&Taxi View Post

                                          I have been thinking the same for a number of pages... we have...

                                          Young person (17/18) who doesn't know what she doesn't know (except she knows long toes when she sees them)
                                          Apparently has no parents who can advise her but are likely her source of financial support
                                          Has within the last few months been out of the country and has had surgery
                                          And has made a fairly involved first horse purchase (horse is ten hours away)
                                          From a shady woo-woo farrier/dealer
                                          On the advice of a toxic trainer (understand they are out there, been there done that) who doesn't have enough help

                                          The sad thing is that there are legitimately enough crazies and frauds in the horse bidness that it is all within the realm of possible if not probable.

                                          I don't think this is fair whatsoever.

                                          This young poster is one of the first to start out defensive and then realize and admit to mistakes that she's made in a relatively public manner with many details backed up via the power of the COTH research squad.

                                          Perhaps instead of making her feel worse about the mistakes she's made (mistakes which should have been prevented if our industry was actually made up of ethical human beings, which it sadly isn't) you could either just keep your trap shut, or have a bit of understanding or encouragement for her. She is far from the first who has made unwise decisions after trusting a trainer; in fact most of us if we go back to when we first got into this sport could have ended up in a similar situation had we not gotten in with trustworthy people. My parents were involved, but they were clueless about horses and the industry, and absolutely could have been taken for a ride had our first trainer been so inclined. There are sooooo many people who have gotten into situations similar to the OP's - they just may not have posted about them on the internet.

                                          OP you've gotten a heck of an education in a short period of time. Horse ownership and the industry in general is not for the faint of heart, and unfortunately you ended up with a trainer who did not have your best interests at heart (and/or who isn't an educated, true horsewoman).

                                          Ignorance is forgivable, so long as you now begin to dive into educating yourself about horse ownership and all that it entails. It isn't as simple as it seems, and ultimately, you as the horse owner are responsible for your animal's well-being. You seem like you truly want the best for your horse and are willing to do what it takes, and that is admirable.

                                          I recommend that you post a separate thread asking for recommendations on a good, solid program in your area that you can get aligned with - one with a trustworthy trainer from whom you can learn from.

                                          And sadly, a piece of advice which may not be easy to hear - horse ownership is expensive.Even the least complicated animal costs a whole lot of money, and a wise horse owner should also have additional funds set aside for veterinary maintenance and emergencies. As much as you want to keep this horse, you need to evaluate whether you can truly afford to do so, especially if this horse requires special shoeing, chiropractic or veterinary care in order to make him comfortable. You're 18 and funds are likely limited. Sometimes this sport requires us to take the emotions out and make the best decision for the horse. I encourage you to do that, especially once the vet has evaluated him.

                                          On that note, do you have a trusted equine contact who can be there for that vet appointment. Or perhaps a nearby COTHer could volunteer? (I'd be there if I could, but I live in the wrong state!). It would be really helpful to have an experienced horse person help guide you through these next steps.
                                          Jennifer Baas
                                          It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. (Aristotle)

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