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  • Originally posted by Cat Tap View Post

    I have the same problem watching some of the British programs. They seem to mumble a lot and I have to pay very close attention to understand what they are saying and I still miss a lot.
    This is what captioning is for (because I have the same problem! )

    Of course we are getting kind of OT.

    OP, how are things progressing??
    "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."

    "It's supposed to be hard...the hard is what makes it great!" (Jimmy Dugan, "A League of Their Own")

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    • There is a barn in homestead. Redlands stable maybe? If they are still around, it might be worth checking.

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      • Redlands equestrian center - that is it!

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        • Keep plugging away at it starr331 . You've only been looking for a week or two. There is something out there for you and Star. Do you have the vet appointment scheduled? We are all pulling for Star and hope the findings are not dire, and easily fixable with time.

          I wish we could find you a CoTHer in the Miami area to help you through this. I don't know anyone in that area, or I'd hook you up.
          ~~ How do you catch a loose horse? Make a noise like a carrot! - British Cavalry joke ~~

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          • OP I haven’t forgotten about you! My friend is still asking around.

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            • Originally posted by starr331

              Pretty awful honestly. I have looked at several barns and have found none that I like. Paddock space is super small and prices are insanely high, but I'm still looking around. I think that I might actually be considering keeping Star boarded at the current barn, as bad as that sounds That's assuming that I'll be paying extra medical bills for whatever is wrong with him. Also, does anybody have any experience with horse acupuncture? Somebody brought it up with me recently and I'm thinking it might help. Guess I should make that a separate thread at this point.
              Get a diagnosis first. No point throwing acupuncture at something that will respond to a clear medical solution.

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              • OP I am not familiar with your area but is there any way you could take a drive through the country side and perhaps check some private places to see if they take boarders? I have never advertised, I have a semi private facility and all my boarders have arrived by just driving in one day.

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                • For boarding check with the local tack stores or feed stores. They frequently know ones that aren't advertised. Check with the vet too. Until you get things medically straight with Star you probably don't need a training barn and may not even need a ring. In case Star needs stall rest I wouldn't go with a place that only does pasture board.
                  Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)

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                  • Originally posted by Scribbler View Post

                    Get a diagnosis first. No point throwing acupuncture at something that will respond to a clear medical solution.
                    Agree, if funds are limited you don't want to spend money on acupuncture that could have done more good injecting arthritic hocks.

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                    • Well, it’s been a while since we’ve had one of these.

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                      • Wow, some read there. OP has done alot of learning and been very gracious about it despite her embarrassment. That’s great, recognizing a mistake perpetrated by those you trusted, and paid, to help you is a very tough lesson. Now the trick is to move forward without getting overwhelmed trying to clean up the mess. If you feel that way, come on here, we can talk you through it. We can do it because we have all made similar mistakes and speak from experience. They can’t tell you on here or give official advice but a decent number of these responses come from practicing lawyers. We all want to get you on the right track to a solution benefitting you and this horse. Have 3 thoughts.

                        #1. You say JC showed you Stars papers? Did he give you those papers when you took possession of Star? There’s other things like signed transfers and stuff but nothing can happen unless you HAVE the papers in your hand. Do you HAVE the papers? Some dealers play fast and loose with papers that prove identity and foaling dates but don’t actually belong to the horse you just bought and or you as they never seem to get into your hands-dealer will get them to you soon, former owner won’t sign,..yada, yada, yada.

                        #2. As a 50 year veteran of boarding barns of all sizes, types and price ranges, you need to move that horse. ASAP. Doesn’t need to be to a perfect place, just out of there and away from this trainers influence. Don’t tell other boarders anything, they’ll tell her and God knows what she will tell them about you once she learns you are not happy. Never underestimate how petty a scorned trainer can be. And whatever miscommunication may or may not have occurred here, that PPE vet found the horse was body sore, flexed badly on both ends and visually 1/5 lame.

                        How in the hell she knew that and still pushed you to buy the horse and split the cost of hauling him home with her on the one she bought deserves a good deal of scorn. As does doing business with a dealer known to be less then ethical other trainers and even higher end dealers avoid. Big red flag on staying in that barn.

                        #3. Am the absolute last person to go into cosmic woo woo buying a horse. But...my best two were horses I didn’t want, wasn’t looking to buy yet ended up buying out of iffy situations. One was an APHA colt I broke out and showed for somebody several years earlier. Called me out of the blue as they were divorcing , DD had moved out and lost interest, did I want horse? Since a 4 state commercial haul was involved and hadn’t seen the horse in 3 years, made a real lowball offer. They refused. Called back 3 months later and said come get him. Called in a favor from a friend who, checked up on him, shared he was neglected but seemed healthy and DD had shown him earlier that year. Bought him over the phone. Friend picked him up and moved him to her place. He was a mess, been standing idle for months, ribby, feet neglected, Friend got that back on track. When he shipped to me a month later, barn I put him in kept him out back for the first month. Won more with that horse then anything else before or since.

                        The other was years later when I had an actual rescue TB that I spent 3 years and thousands rehabbing and showing up thru 1st Year Greens under a Pro with modest success, but I couldnt ride him. Really couldn’t afford two so started marketing him. Quirky sale mare came into barn, was riding a few extras and hacked her a few times. Asst. trainer asked me to jump her down a 3x3x3 gymnastic at 3’3”. Current horse had rattled my confidence but I just turned her around and went thru it. Head trainer comes in, says, “oh, I never thought of that, go jump the big oxer to the 2 stride.”. Did so, no qualms. I couldn’t afford two horses, mare had a prior offer, shipped out next day. Shipped back 3 days later with a PPE issue that bothered seller that did not bother me or trainer. So...she wasn’t “ sound”, could be quirky and I couldn't affird two horses. So of course I made a lower offer then the sale price to reflect the PPE issue which was accepted. Seller accepted the TB I didn’t want for some trade in credit. Had that mare for 17 years, won almost as much as the Paint.

                        Both these were really just just meant to be. That is a bad reason to buy a horse, especially a first horse and both of them took some time and money to straighten out. But both are the reason I’m not going to say ditch the horse immediately. He needs help, maybe OP is the one to give it to him. Wooo wooo, I know. But....

                        He doesn’t look like a bad guy and it’s possible whatever happened to him was never treated properly or given enough time to really heal. Perhaps a long stint in turn out can help him physically and mentally heal while OPs wallet can recover. He may be restricted to just being a basic trail ride type but he’s already teaching OP more then she probably thought he would. Poor horse probably thinks he died and went to heaven given previous circumstances and treatment or lack thereof,

                        Mind you, this is dependent on that vet exam.



                        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                        The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                        • I’ve read all this. Just sent OP a pm but want a little public support here. I know a guy really close to OP who has a very nice backyard barn. I boarded my horses there for almost a year a long time ago when I was low on money and couldn’t ride them anyway. REALLY nice guy, horses were fat and shiny, daily turn out, $400 a month. Paddocks are small but property is closed very well, let my horses roam free with barn shut a few days a week. Don’t know if he’s accepting boarders atm but willing to reach out. Please let me try to help because this trainer is not your friend. Also check out Robbies Feed in homestead I’m sure someone there knows a guy who knows a guy who needs to fill their backyard barn there’s a fair amount of them in homestead if you talk to people.

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                          • That sounds perfect. You should take Farosh up on the offer to help. Get a ton of stress out of your situation.
                            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                            The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                            • Look, you are relatively new and some in the business prey on naive newbies who really don’t know what they don’t know about trainer/ client relationships and what is “normal”. Not that there really is a “ normal” as nothing is really standard in all barns. But there are actions so far outside the norm they raise red flags on the basic ethics front as this one has. Did she charge you a finders commission on top of the plane ticket and sharing the shipping with you? Did she help you review those PPE results since she was “advising” you on your first horse purchase?

                              You would not be the only one posting on here about questionable decisions and actions by your trainer. You are probably the youngest in the current batch though. Which is probably good as you are learning the lesson early before wasting too much time and money.

                              After you get the horse moved, which you need to do sooner then later, and recover from this, COTHers can help you locate a more suitable arrangement with ethical and honest practices and there are plenty of them out there. But you need to know where and how to look for them.

                              And, again, you need to move the horse out of there. IMO you won’t be needing a ring for awhile, he needs to heal, but it’s going to get harder and harder to be around that trainer and trust her to care for this poor horse. If you stop taking regular lessons, she’s liable to kick you out anyway. Just go now, quietly.
                              When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                              The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                              • I stayed at a barn that wasn’t good for me or my horse. The barn owners lied to me when I bought the horse from them. It took me awhile but I finally moved to a place I wasn’t a fan of but I am so much happier and my horse is too.

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                                • Farosh Thanks so much! I was really hoping someone local could help the OP out here

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                                  • OP says on this thread that she had papers transfered to her but no bill of sale.

                                    OP I would encourage you to get that bill of sale now before things go sideways. Otherwise you have no proof of the price or indeed of sale.

                                    The bill of sale needs the price and the signature of the seller who is the owner.

                                    If there was anything shady the dealer might avoid this because he may have told the owner the horse sold for less and taken a bigger commission than agreed on or given your trainer a commission/ kick back.

                                    Both buyer and seller need to be in possession of a bill of sale that states how much money you handed over. It is also not great if your trainer is named as buyer on the bill of sale!

                                    Put pressure on him now to generate that document which is more important than the breed registry papers in case of legal disputes.

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                                    • Don’t you need a copy of the boS along with the signed transfer form to officially transfer ownership with the breed registries? Jockey Club you don’t, I know, but have bought and sold AQHA and APHA, been years but swear I had to send a copy of the bill of sale to get the transfer of ownership recorded with the registry.

                                      Hope OP here updates us but probably best to be careful, sooner or later her current barn mates or trainer will see this thread if it keeps getting bumped up to page one. Might not be appreciated. Maybe best to wait until the dust settles or OP moves her horse.
                                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                      • OP, I have nothing useful to add other than you're not alone. While this situation has never happened to ME personally, it very easily could. It could very easily happen to any of us. We're all just one shady seller away from a shit show, no matter how long we've been around the industry. In fact, I've heard countless stories just like this one. I wish you and Star the best of luck and I hope you come back and update us when possible! And be sure to stick around! We can be kind of a cranky and cynical bunch, but deep down we're mostly pretty decent
                                        "I think animal testing is a terrible idea, they get all nervous and give silly answers."
                                        -fry & laurie

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