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Maclay Regionals - Region 8 (CA, HI, NV) - Interesting Night, and Do-Overs

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  • #41
    Under lights, I bet the horses saw a yawning pit under the rails. That matte paint and the contrast create an optical illusion. I totally understand why this would have been a really normal fence in daylight that became an unfair question in the conditions.

    I know that my horse, who would jump through fire, would canter up to that asking why the Sam Hill someone put a ditch in the sand ring. And that’s if he could process what he was seeing in time to decide it was a ditch. If it came up off a short turn, and especially if there was light glare around the turn, I bet this basically turned into an unplanned test of equine visual acuity.
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    • #42
      Found a video obviously after the change, but it gives an idea of how it may have seemed to the horses.

      https://youtu.be/p3pxPhixjKM
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      • #43
        Originally posted by Temecula Jumper View Post

        This photo popped up on my FB feed today.
        That is way less spooky than I would expect.
        Actually, it looks like a pretty inviting jump to me.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Daventry View Post

          That was my exact thought when I looked at the jump..until I blinked and turned my head slightly and then the boxes morphed into a giant bottomless pit under the jump.

          What an interesting situation!
          Clearly horse has figured out how to post here. We are all dooooooomed. 😂😂😂

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          • #45
            As I mentioned, I went to look at the jump more closely and saw it with the lights trained down on it, and to my eye it looked different in that moment than it came out in the photo posted here. I also took a similar photo and it didn't look out of the ordinary either, but with the lighting it sure did look weird up close in person. (Hmmm, maybe the horses just collaborated for funsies and decided to do a group spook?)

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Happyhooves View Post
              As I mentioned, I went to look at the jump more closely and saw it with the lights trained down on it, and to my eye it looked different in that moment than it came out in the photo posted here. I also took a similar photo and it didn't look out of the ordinary either, but with the lighting it sure did look weird up close in person. (Hmmm, maybe the horses just collaborated for funsies and decided to do a group spook?)
              What looks so scary there? Black boxes? Did they change under lights, as had been mentioned? How so?

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              • #47
                https://www.facebook.com/hope.glynn....2209279554925/ I think this is it...

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                • #48
                  It was something looking down onto the black boxes with the lights reflecting/bouncing off the paint, this kind of dazzling glare thing and the the boxes being dark at the same time. I don't have horse eyes, but I imagine as the horses came around and approached, they saw something in the light against the dark boxes and it obviously registered "danger, danger," in those horsey brains. I still go back to the fact that these were not green "dumbed down" horses and inexperienced, timid riders out there. Can't imagine the course designers could have foreseen the issue. I imagine everyone wished it had been different, but I'm glad they weren't afraid to take action on it before more horses were rattled, whatever the actual specifics were with that jump.

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                  • #49
                    I do think that looks like a little bit of a spooky setting in general, between the fact that the class is at night under the lights, but the horses can still see outside the ring, plus there are a lot of spectators right along the rail. I don’t know if that is typical on the West Coast, but I can’t think of too many shows on the East Coast with a similar setting. So if the horses were a little nervous in the first place, and then the one jump looked extra spooky, that might have been enough to cause a problem.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by MHM View Post
                      I do think that looks like a little bit of a spooky setting in general, between the fact that the class is at night under the lights, but the horses can still see outside the ring, plus there are a lot of spectators right along the rail. I don’t know if that is typical on the West Coast, but I can’t think of too many shows on the East Coast with a similar setting. So if the horses were a little nervous in the first place, and then the one jump looked extra spooky, that might have been enough to cause a problem.
                      There are tables right up against the rail, with clinking tableware, people moving around, etc. There is usually a line set up there and several horses generally look worried, at the least. Definitely more spooking on that side of the ring than the bleacher side, based on attending most of the regionals over the last fifteen or so years, mostly from the bleacher side. An additional distraction this year was stabling set up at the end of the ring on the approach to 2.

                      There is another medal final in that ring, with the last round at night, in August, with many of the same riders, so many have seen it. There are other classes in the ring before the Maclay, though none at night. But still a scary venue.

                      Initially I thought it was mostly the VIP effect with a bit of a funny-looking fence thrown in. Or maybe there was an exceptionally scary table right there. The course designer may we’ll have thought they were making the fence more appealing with the fill; I doubt they were trying to set a trap.

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                      • #51
                        Someone commented on Holly Scapa's facebook post (a picture of the jump in question) saying,

                        "The kids that actually had a shot at representing the west coast proud and could actually ride the Maclay finals track had issues becuase of this poor judgment jump on the course (course designer error). One kid who stopped currently wins Grand Prixs. The other kid is without question one of the best riders in the entire country . She got pitched into the middle of this jump . Some first timers (fact ) chipped around the course but somehow managed to kick like hell over the oxer would have qualified , would have made it to Maclay finals , and would have sank and drowned in the national championships . Is that who we wanted to represent the west coast ?"

                        This feels like it's totally invalidating the riders who made it over the course the first time - I know luck might be a factor, but sometimes riders who aren't big names have success.
                        Last edited by frenchsubway; Sep. 18, 2019, 01:00 PM. Reason: to add who posted said facebook post :)

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by frenchsubway View Post
                          Someone commented on the big facebook post
                          What big Facebook post?

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by MHM View Post

                            What big Facebook post?
                            Holly Scapa's, it currently has over 300 comments on a picture of said jump

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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by frenchsubway View Post

                              Holly Scapa's, it currently has over 300 comments on a picture of said jump
                              Thanks. And welcome to the BB.

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                              • #55
                                I saw one ride, a rider that ended up in 12th. Her horse peeked at the oxer, but jumped it in stride...It looked like the filler may have appeared odd, and the fact the VIP dinning tables were mere inches away from that oxer, the fist jump (second jump on course) in the outside line.

                                Order of go:
                                https://showgroundslive.com/bes/clas...Order/cgid/250

                                Results:
                                https://showgroundslive.com/bes/classes/Detail/cid/369

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by frenchsubway View Post

                                  Holly Scapa's, it currently has over 300 comments on a picture of said jump
                                  That Facebook thread is interesting.

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                                    That Facebook thread is interesting.
                                    That is for sure.

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                                    • #58
                                      This is the list of kids who qualified, along with the waitlist.

                                      http://nhs.showmanagementsystem.com/...ection/170/8/m

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                                      • #59
                                        IMO, if a fence, intended or not, turns into more of a trap then a question, it’s appropriate to change and/or avoid duplicating it in the future. Said that over on a Eventing last week as well. Whatever the reason, it’s more about avoiding an accident and injured rider and/ or horse in a very public venue then dumbing anything down. Keep in mind that this class is not run under the usual USE rules but it’s own unique procedures.

                                        I defer to the decision of the Stewards here. It looks like the issue was the bottom of that fence does look like a black hole and you got white tablecloths and maybe server jackets at the horses eye level heading into the brightly lit scoreboard.. Not intended but it did turn into a trap for most, including very experienced pairs.

                                        They made the right call.

                                        Have no opinion on Heritage riders selecting a different zone then the barn is located in. These days top riders don’t just show in their own regions regardless of where they or the horse they lease or own legally reside. And they are completely within the rules. Maybe try to get better instead of fearing better riders, which you have to meet in the Finals anyway at far greater expense then Regionals.
                                        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                                          #60
                                          Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                                          That Facebook thread is interesting.
                                          For sure. And to clarify, the quote posted by frenchsubway was written by Nick Haness in response to Holly Scapa’s post, not by Holly.
                                          The Evil Chem Prof

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